This almost 36 pcs deserves a good drink beside me when i will watch her program.
2021 Finlandia Trophy: Women's Short Program
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Actually I believe you're wrong here. The categories are not reserved for level of skater - it's level of skate. So, 9.75 and 9.5. Also, even if you do use the table as you're interpreting it, Kamila would be considered a "platinum" skater. She's Russia's (at worst) number 2 (potentially number 1) and the reigning World Junior Champion. Remember also that the 3A started with high PCS after junior and Alina did before them.
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She looked super nervous from the start. So much talent, so few competitive nerves.
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Never say never. I bet you didn’t think she would make it to Worlds last year either, let alone medal there
Good strategy. The less attention you can make yourself pay, the better.
With her skating, for me, it's more "pray it's never".
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For all the complaints about Kamila's PCS. Liza's really don't make sense. So anyone saying if Kamila was any other skater her PCS would be lower..the strength of the Russian federation isn't limited to just Kamila.
That said, aaaah. Liza winning the SP makes me so happy!
Gubanova has to show to Rusfed why it was a bad idea to steal her GP spot and give it to another skater.
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Lol, sorry about the copyright infringement, it was indeed intended rather as a citation.Hey, that's my line from this post, should I demand a copyright?
The thig is you on one side condemn it by arguing about Kamila's score being too high because of the status of an "olympic medal contender", on the other hand you demand it being lower based on the same "logic", purely because her status of a fresh senior should be lower than that. But that's not possible, those are two conflicting attitudes. Either the scoring is based purely on rules and skate, then let¨s talk about technical issues and analyze where the scores should be higher/lower, no matter on what event it is, or it should be based on status. But then, what status should be the right one? There completely other than quality criteria decide, and that's what I really see witht hose who complain now, esp. when compared how they overprize other wobbly skated performances or performances with uncalled serious mistakes.
I never demanded Kami's score to be lowered, I just pointed out that her PCS could be a bit closer to the ceiling than you made it appear in your original post. Anyway, PCS scoring is basically just alchemy to me, I'll never figure it out, that's why I cling to these tables.
I just wonder, if Kami is crowned Olympic champion and decides to continue her skating career, they'll need to invent a new PCS category for her. What comes after "Platinum"? Maybe "Star Dust" or something like that? Or they'll just name it "Kamila".
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And not Tuktamysheva or Valieva?What a great short program for the women that was!
I feel that Chen and Saarinen might have been a bit overscored, but that's just me.
It will be very exciting tomorrow.
And yay! Gubanova 4th! I never thought that was possible.
Did I mention Chen Karenina and Jenni Saarinova actually both now represent Russia? Would that change your mind?
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I'm super happy for Liza winning the SP (well deserved) but her PCS don't make sense either. She was brilliant but her choreo/interpretation/skating skills are not on par with Kostornaia. Kostornaia's PCS was high (program still needs work and she doesn't have her usual speed/flow) but not egregiously high PCS. Liza's should be 33-ish PCS and with the fall I'd have Valieva around 32-33 (if clean, probably around 34-35). I also thought Karen, Loena, Amber and Jenni were overscored too (esp. Karen who I'd have given around a mid 33).
At least Saarinen and Tuktamysheva went clean. So many PCS personal bests for subpar skates - Hendrickx had a major stepout on her combo and got a PCS personal best, Valieva had a downgraded fall and got 2.9 points higher PCS than her previous personal best, Chen doubled a triple and UR'ed a loop, and while she was still "clean" she still didn't perform to the level of previous SPs yet. Glenn fell and messed up a spin and essentially matched her previous PCS personal best (31.37 instead of 31.47) It's WAY too early in the season to give out PBs, and for SPs this sloppy.
I don't buy any of this apologist (well they skated better than before, PCS is separate from technical elements, etc. etc. etc.). Skaters who make errors need to have it reflected in their presentation scores. Or maybe I'm just one of those weird judges who for some strange reason believes that errors actually detract from the performance and presentation of a program, and should be accordingly reflected in the PCS scores.
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I hope Jenni delivers on the free as well, unlike at Worlds.And not Tuktamysheva or Valieva?
Did I mention Chen Karenina and Jenni Saarinova actually both now represent Russia? Would that change your mind?
And it would put her on a great situation with the 1 Olympic spot
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In general the judges in the women's SP all had their happy juice for most of the top skaters. I mean Judge #9 for Valieva took their Valium - +5's across the board (the most shocking this is that they didn't give Valieva << UR fall a -2 or -3)! 
TBH, what a brilliant idea from the Finlandia organizers to hand out high PCS like candy this early in the season. It will encourage the skaters/federations who want to get a leg up at the start of the season to show up to Finlandia next year and increase their PCS threshold.
TBH, what a brilliant idea from the Finlandia organizers to hand out high PCS like candy this early in the season. It will encourage the skaters/federations who want to get a leg up at the start of the season to show up to Finlandia next year and increase their PCS threshold.
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This is such a lovely personal story @elbkup!
I also share similar warm feelings for another special skater and I must say that I can also see my sister on her. I'm glad that figure skating has a way of showing us, the viewers, all of these amazing athletes with beautiful and unique personalities. Thanks for sharing your story here
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Falls are disruptive. They are falls. People need to stop trivializing as "not disruptive".
It is a major error -- the most definitive error in figure skating -- and hers was also on a downgraded jump at that. It is arguably the most blatant error you could have and you don't just gloss over that just because it wasn't a fall where the skater was sprawling on the ice.
The current capping is bs - it is just an excuse that people use to say "See, the judges weren't out of line because they stayed within the capping parameters". Even then some judges don't adhere to it. It is not nearly strict enough nor enforced enough. You could give 9.25s for SS/TR/CO to a skater who has 8 falls and it would be "justified" by capping rules (especially if those 8 falls weren't disruptive! *sarcasm*
).If Valieva is on, I'm totally fine with her winning because of her technical superiority. But, at this point, the PCS she got with a fall isn't even deserved if she had a clean 3A. At least make her earn the Olympic gold... if she keeps getting scores like these, it'll essentially be handed to her.
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The protocols are out. Liza did a 3F before the second half so it could be 82+ with a bonus. A very good GoE on the spins.
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Karly Robertson GBR Short Program FT21
The Ice Dundee skater had to wait till the final group to compete today in Espoo. In the K&C with Coach Simon Briggs. She is in 19th place. Apologies my tabl...
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Who would you have put the highest on PCS here, if all were clean?
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