2022-23 US Ice Dance | Golden Skate

2022-23 US Ice Dance

dancelion21

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Grand Prix Assignments are finally out, so it's time for a new thread :)

Skate AmericaSkate CanadaGrand Prix de FranceMK John Wilson TrophyNHK TrophyGrand Prix of Espoo
Chock/Bates
Hawayek/Baker
TBD
Bratti/Somerville
Cesanek/Yehorov
Green/Parsons
Pate/Bye
Wolfkostin/Chen
Brown/Brown
Carreira/Ponomarenko
Chock/Bates
Green/Parsons
Wolfkostin/Chen
Baker/Baker
Carreira/Ponomarenko
Hawayek/Baker

Some notes
  • The Browns and Wolfkostin/Chen have both moved up to senior
  • It was reported by TSL a while ago that Green/Parsons had left their coaches, but we've heard nothing about that since, so it's unclear who they went to
Thoughts for the Season:
  1. Can Chock/Bates win a World title? That's clearly their goal for the season.
  2. Will Hawayek/Baker or Green/Parsons be the US No. 2 for this season? Or will a different team challenge them.
  3. Will CPom be able to rebound after a difficult coaching adjustment season last year?
  4. How will the two Junior teams of last season, the Browns and WolfChen, compare to the current senior teams?
  5. This will be the new Michigan Ice Dance Academy's first full senior season, and they have three teams so far, B/S, C/Y, and WolfChen. How will their packaging and training develop in this season and how will the three teams compare to each other? Will more teams announce a switch to the new training camp?
  6. There have been rumors circulating for months that Eteri's daughter, Diana Davis, may attempt to switch federations to represent USFS. Will this actually happen, or is it just factless gossip. If it does happen, how will Davis/Smolkin fit into the current USFS hierarchy?
  7. There are still other Senior teams who don't have Grand Prix assignments, including McNamara/Spiridonov, and the newly formed Zingas/Kolesnik. Will they get Senior B assignments to compete internationally? Also, how have Nguyen/Smirnov been doing? They withdrew from US Nationals last season, and haven't competed since.
 

momrk

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Did I miss something about McNamara and Spiridonov? Thought they'd get a GP assignment. Injured? Not skating?
 

ZeldaJo21

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Grand Prix Assignments are finally out, so it's time for a new thread :)

Skate AmericaSkate CanadaGrand Prix de FranceMK John Wilson TrophyNHK TrophyGrand Prix of Espoo
Chock/Bates
Hawayek/Baker
TBD
Bratti/Somerville
Cesanek/Yehorov
Green/Parsons
Pate/Bye
Wolfkostin/Chen
Brown/Brown
Carreira/Ponomarenko
Chock/Bates
Green/Parsons
Wolfkostin/Chen
Baker/Baker
Carreira/Ponomarenko
Hawayek/Baker

Some notes
  • The Browns and Wolfkostin/Chen have both moved up to senior
  • It was reported by TSL a while ago that Green/Parsons had left their coaches, but we've heard nothing about that since, so it's unclear who they went to
Thoughts for the Season:
  1. Can Chock/Bates win a World title? That's clearly their goal for the season.
  2. Will Hawayek/Baker or Green/Parsons be the US No. 2 for this season? Or will a different team challenge them.
  3. Will CPom be able to rebound after a difficult coaching adjustment season last year?
  4. How will the two Junior teams of last season, the Browns and WolfChen, compare to the current senior teams?
  5. This will be the new Michigan Ice Dance Academy's first full senior season, and they have three teams so far, B/S, C/Y, and WolfChen. How will their packaging and training develop in this season and how will the three teams compare to each other? Will more teams announce a switch to the new training camp?
  6. There have been rumors circulating for months that Eteri's daughter, Diana Davis, may attempt to switch federations to represent USFS. Will this actually happen, or is it just factless gossip. If it does happen, how will Davis/Smolkin fit into the current USFS hierarchy?
  7. There are still other Senior teams who don't have Grand Prix assignments, including McNamara/Spiridonov, and the newly formed Zingas/Kolesnik. Will they get Senior B assignments to compete internationally? Also, how have Nguyen/Smirnov been doing? They withdrew from US Nationals last season, and haven't competed since.
Exciting times to watching ice dance this year!!! Thank you for the summary of season thoughts……..yes, very curious as to where did Green/Parsons go??? Will be a very interesting year!
 

dancelion21

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Did I miss something about McNamara and Spiridonov? Thought they'd get a GP assignment. Injured? Not skating?
They've already done a few summer competitions. They were at the Dallas Classic about two weeks ago where they scored 171.31 total to win.


My guess as to why they didn't get any Grand Prix assignments is since they are the lowest on the World Standings list (134th) and the Season's Best list (59th) last season among Pate/Bye (36th SB, 85th WS) Cesanek/Yehorov (45th SB, 60th WS), and Bratti/Somerville (33th SB, 46th WS) (the three teams with one assignment each), despite placing ahead of C/Y at US Nationals, but that wouldn't affect GP selections since that's only based on international competitions.

Exciting times to watching ice dance this year!!! Thank you for the summary of season thoughts……..yes, very curious as to where did Green/Parsons go??? Will be a very interesting year!
TSL just published an episode where they strongly implied that Green/Parsons are with Charlie and Tanith now, but ofc nothing is confirmed (it's not even official that Green/Parsons left their old coaches)
 
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MiraiFan

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They've already done a few summer competitions. They were at the Dallas Classic about two weeks ago where they scored 171.31 total to win.


My guess as to why they didn't get any Grand Prix assignments is since they are the lowest on the World Standings list (134th) and the Season's Best list (59th) last season among Pate/Bye (36th SB, 85th WS) Cesanek/Yehorov (45th SB, 60th WS), and Bratti/Somerville (33th SB, 46th WS) (the three teams with one assignment each), despite placing ahead of C/Y at US Nationals, but that wouldn't affect GP selections since that's only based on international competitions.


TSL just published an episode where they strongly implied that Green/Parsons are with Charlie and Tanith now, but ofc nothing is confirmed (it's not even official that Green/Parsons left their old coaches)
I sure hope they are in Michigan and can confirm that they left ION after David and Smolkin got there. What an ass move on the part of those coaches...
 

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TSL just published an episode where they strongly implied that Green/Parsons are with Charlie and Tanith now, but ofc nothing is confirmed (it's not even official that Green/Parsons left their old coaches)

I'm usually agnostic about where and with whom skaters seek coaches.

But in this case, I really really hope this rumor is true.
 

dancelion21

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The senior rhythm dance at Lake Placid just ended, unfortunately there was no livestream but we do have results and scoresheets.

Wolfkostin/Chen won the rhythm dance portion with Pate/Bye right behind. McNamara/Spiridonov are in third and Bratti/Somerville are in fourth.

In the domestic portion of the competition, Zingas/Kolsenik are in first after the rhythm dance.

 

ZeldaJo21

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The senior rhythm dance at Lake Placid just ended, unfortunately there was no livestream but we do have results and scoresheets.

Wolfkostin/Chen won the rhythm dance portion with Pate/Bye right behind. McNamara/Spiridonov are in third and Bratti/Somerville are in fourth.

In the domestic portion of the competition, Zingas/Kolsenik are in first after the rhythm dance.

I sure am sorry that Cesanek/Yegor we’re not able to be at Lake Placid. She remarked how they had been training hard on their new programs created by their MIDA coaching team & were excited to present them.
 

dancelion21

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Final results for Lake Placid International are out, with McNamara/Spiridonov winning, Pate/Bye in second place, Wolfkostin/Chen in third place, and Bratti/Somerville in fourth place. It is unfortunate that we don't have footage from this competition, because the ordinals were wild by ice dance standards.

I wonder how this will affect the competition for the TBA spot at Skate America. Pate/Bye and Bratti/Somerville both have one spot already, while McNamara/Spiridonov currently aren't assigned, but winning Lake Placid will be a big boost towards getting that TBA spot. USFS won't be making the decision for at least another month until after Champs Camp at the earliest.
 

BlissfulSynergy

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Both of Pate/Bye's Lake Placid programs were posted on YouTube, apparently by a relative. They look good in both programs, especially for this early. I enjoyed their Riverdance program. It was fun seeing how they constructed the program and incorporated the Irish dance moves seamlessly.

Unfortunately, I could not find any of the other ice dance competitors' performances at LP posted yet on YT.

I'm surprised to see Bratti/ Somerville not doing better here, especially since they placed fifth overall at 2022 U.S. Nat'ls, behind Green/ Parsons. However, maybe it was a bit of debut luck since Carreira/Ponomarenko were ahead of them in the RD, and Wolfkostin/ Chen were ahead in the fp. But Bratti/Somerville were consistent in 6th place for both programs and ended in 5th overall b/c the other two teams had issues in one program or the other.

In addition, at 2022 U.S. Nats, B/S were solidly ahead of Pate/ Bye and McNamara/ Spiridonov. Perhaps it's just a bit of a sophomore slump for B/S. In any case, B/S were 4th in the RD and 3rd in the FD at Lake Placid, but stayed in 4th overall due to how other teams fluctuated in their programs.

It is an early comp, but clearly these teams are all hungrily battling for position as they try to establish themselves over the next quad. McNamara/ Spiridonov must have significantly improved since last season. Are they with the same coaches this season?
 
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dancelion21

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It is an early comp, but clearly these teams are all hungrily battling for position as they try to establish themselves over the next quad. McNamara/ Spiridonov must have significantly improved since last season. Are they with the same coaches this season?
Yes, they definitely are. They both posted on Instagram after Lake Placid where they tagged WISA as their coaches. We haven't seen any videos of how they look, but they could be benefiting as the primary senior team at WISA since Cesanek/Yehorov and Green/Parsons both left (though GrPa leaving is still unconfirmed)
 

ZeldaJo21

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Both of Pate/Bye's Lake Placid programs were posted on YouTube, apparently by a relative. They look good in both programs, especially for this early. I enjoyed their Riverdance program. It was fun seeing how they constructed the program and incorporated the Irish dance moves seamlessly.

Unfortunately, I could not find any of the other ice dance competitors' performances at LP posted yet on YT.

I'm surprised to see Bratti/ Somerville not doing better here, especially since they placed fifth overall at 2022 U.S. Nat'ls, behind Green/ Parsons. However, maybe it was a bit of debut luck since Carreira/Ponomarenko were ahead of them in the RD, and Wolfkostin/ Chen were ahead in the fp. But Bratti/Somerville were consistent in 6th place for both programs and ended in 5th overall b/c the other two teams had issues in one program or the other.

In addition, at 2022 U.S. Nats, B/S were solidly ahead of Pate/ Bye and McNamara/ Spiridonov. Perhaps it's just a bit of a sophomore slump for B/S. In any case, B/S were 4th in the RD and 3rd in the FD at Lake Placid, but stayed in 4th overall due to how other teams fluctuated in their programs.

It is an early comp, but clearly these teams are all hungrily battling for position as they try to establish themselves over the next quad. McNamara/ Spiridonov must have significantly improved since last season. Are they with the same coaches this season?
Yes M/S are still with WISA this season. It seems they have indeed improved! I feel all of these teams……M/S, B/S, P/B, W/C will definitely be jockeying in this next quad for positions behind C/P. But I stress we cannot forget to add Cesanek/Yegorov to this mix! Due to her emergency appendicitis they had to drop out of Lake Placid this year. Last year they took 3rd place here and now have new coaching at MIDA. All these teams are hungry! This will be a very exciting year in Senior ice dance for sure.
 

icednce

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Both of Pate/Bye's Lake Placid programs were posted on YouTube, apparently by a relative. They look good in both programs, especially for this early. I enjoyed their Riverdance program. It was fun seeing how they constructed the program and incorporated the Irish dance moves seamlessly.

Unfortunately, I could not find any of the other ice dance competitors' performances at LP posted yet on YT.

I'm surprised to see Bratti/ Somerville not doing better here, especially since they placed fifth overall at 2022 U.S. Nat'ls, behind Green/ Parsons. However, maybe it was a bit of debut luck since Carreira/Ponomarenko were ahead of them in the RD, and Wolfkostin/ Chen were ahead in the fp. But Bratti/Somerville were consistent in 6th place for both programs and ended in 5th overall b/c the other two teams had issues in one program or the other.

In addition, at 2022 U.S. Nats, B/S were solidly ahead of Pate/ Bye and McNamara/ Spiridonov. Perhaps it's just a bit of a sophomore slump for B/S. In any case, B/S were 4th in the RD and 3rd in the FD at Lake Placid, but stayed in 4th overall due to how other teams fluctuated in their programs.

It is an early comp, but clearly these teams are all hungrily battling for position as they try to establish themselves over the next quad. McNamara/ Spiridonov must have significantly improved since last season. Are they with the same coaches this season?
McNamara/Spiridonov FD is now posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knGymCqzKzU
and the senior non-international bronze team https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KJH8R2ut_0&t=40s
 

BlissfulSynergy

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thanks who is the coach of mc namara spiridonov?
WISA stands for Wheaton Ice Skating Academy, in Maryland. Head coaches at the academy are Alexei Kiliakov and Elena Novak.

Kilialov/ Novak have an excellent record of shepherding a number of wonderful junior teams to great success, including former team, McNamara/ Carpenter; former team, Gropman/ Somerville; former Parsons siblings; former Green siblings, et al. Of course later, after their respective siblings retired, Caroline & Michael paired and magic has happened for them on the senior level.

FYI: Kiliakov is one of Eteri Tutberidze's former ice dance partners.
 

BlissfulSynergy

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A lot of fans seem to think that Davis/ Smolkin being picked up by WISA is why Gr/Pa left. But honestly, it's possible that Gr/Pa had already made the decision to leave WISA post-2022 Olympics, which in turn might be a reason why Kiliakov/Novak had an opening for D/S. As well, maybe K/N and other WISA coaches have had a lot more time to focus on working with McNamara/ Spiridonov, who just won at Lake Placid, which seems to suggest significant improvement and better programs.
 
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