After further review I think I will agree with you. On slow mo replay I can't tell if she is still in the air when she hooks the landing, so I will give her the benefit of the doubt.
2022 Four Continents: Women's Short Program
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There are even fewer named jumps, and yet we get all sorts of Sælchows and Lʌtzes called.. so I try not to get annoyed at mispronounciations (even though Matsuike today was a bit cringeworthy).
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I managed to catch the second to last group + Mai on the go but I still need to watch the rest. That said, really happy Mai got a season's best, and glad Haein and Yelim went clean and are in contention along with Young if she lands her 3A in the free.
I'll also say as far as announcers pronouncing names, one of the things that bothers me most about announcers and commentators mangling names is that it feels like they're a lot more likely to make an effort with "known" skaters than with young or small fed skaters who are still establishing themselves, so it starts to feel like if they can manage to recognizably say Evgenia Medvedeva but just bail out halfway through, say, Morisi Kvitelashvili that the real problem is that they don't think he's important enough to bother learning his name rather than Kvitelashvili actually being harder to say than Medvedeva for a non-Russian speaker.
And of course, it's not a coincidence that Asian skaters are far more likely to have their names mispronounced than skaters with Western names, even at the highest level. Kaori's gotten called "kay-OAR-ee" rather than "COW-ree" at how many Skate Americas now? It doesn't seem like it should be that much trouble as an announcer to make a note of who's skating, identify the names you're not sure about, and do maybe five minutes of research to make sure you're at least close. Also maybe don't introduce China's top pairs team, the Olympic silver medalists as representing Japan (this is a shoutout to the announcer at Skate Canada this year).
I'll also say as far as announcers pronouncing names, one of the things that bothers me most about announcers and commentators mangling names is that it feels like they're a lot more likely to make an effort with "known" skaters than with young or small fed skaters who are still establishing themselves, so it starts to feel like if they can manage to recognizably say Evgenia Medvedeva but just bail out halfway through, say, Morisi Kvitelashvili that the real problem is that they don't think he's important enough to bother learning his name rather than Kvitelashvili actually being harder to say than Medvedeva for a non-Russian speaker.
And of course, it's not a coincidence that Asian skaters are far more likely to have their names mispronounced than skaters with Western names, even at the highest level. Kaori's gotten called "kay-OAR-ee" rather than "COW-ree" at how many Skate Americas now? It doesn't seem like it should be that much trouble as an announcer to make a note of who's skating, identify the names you're not sure about, and do maybe five minutes of research to make sure you're at least close. Also maybe don't introduce China's top pairs team, the Olympic silver medalists as representing Japan (this is a shoutout to the announcer at Skate Canada this year).
Yes she does. Don’t know why I never noticed how well she sings.
The Korean and Japanese women skaters seem to have the best dresses. The young Russian ladies could use a little help with the design of their dresses.
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Are you trying to imply that "COW-ree" is the correct pronunciation of Kaori?
It is not really correct.
(I am not saying that "kay-OAR-ee" is correct. As you know, it also is not correct.)
I appreciate correct pronunciations from announcers, and incorrect pronunciations make me sigh.
But my general perspective is that pronouncing every name correctly is "easier said than done."
(I do not have an opinion about announcing for 2022 Four Continents. Have not watched.)
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I apologize if I did a bad job conveying the pronunciation I meant-- obviously something like IPA is more exact but most people can't read IPA. Instead, here is a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ_la2q8w9g the first speaker introduces herself as Kaori, correctly pronounced (the second speaker uses incorrect pronunciation).
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For anyone interested, Kaori Sakamoto's pronunciation of her own name can be heard here:
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Quickly catching up with the Aussie women before work. Delighted that they both skated so well!
For those playing along at home, Kailani extends her TES lead over Victoria by another two points and inches her way closer to being confirmed for the Olympics.
And to join the pronounciation game...Kailani is "k-eye-lah-knee", not whatever Chris was saying. And I don't think that in 2022 "but British commentators always butcher names!" is an acceptable answer to screwed up names.
For those playing along at home, Kailani extends her TES lead over Victoria by another two points and inches her way closer to being confirmed for the Olympics.
And to join the pronounciation game...Kailani is "k-eye-lah-knee", not whatever Chris was saying. And I don't think that in 2022 "but British commentators always butcher names!" is an acceptable answer to screwed up names.
I just finished watching and I want to congratulate the beautiful Mai Mihara on such a beautiful short program. She is such a good skater and I’m glad she got the best PCS score. It is too bad that her one mistake this season came in the free skate portion of Nationals. I really wish Japan would have sent her at least to Worlds as Mai is the type of skater that would guarantee Japan 3 spots for next year.
The Korean girls are so evenly matched when You doesn’t execute her 3A. To me, Haein Lee is the best and most artistic, so, I’m glad she is leading the Koreans.
The Korean girls are so evenly matched when You doesn’t execute her 3A. To me, Haein Lee is the best and most artistic, so, I’m glad she is leading the Koreans.
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It's about having sensitivity for the skater's culture. I'm alright with Ted Barton for instance (though his pronunciation is far from perfect, he is frequently apologetic and tries to correct himself). In contrast, Chris takes a stab in the dark and tries to gloss over it. This isn't a Canadian vs British thing either, because Mark Hanretty makes a decent effort - he can probably empathise from a life spent hearing Scottish names being perpetually mispronounced by neighbours down south.I don't see it as 'butchering.' I doubt if that's their motivation either. But I grew up being taught to be gentle and polite, rather like the English. Now years later, I find that holding to certain things about myself is a kind of stubbornness that I find valuable. So when I see it in other individuals or other cultures, I find it amusing but forgivable. Of course, we can agree to disagree agreeably.
To make an analogy that might be more understandable for you - it's a bit like misgendering a trans or non-binary person. Mistakes are understandable, repeated insistence on using the wrong pronouns is disrespectful.
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And she has the best FS music in all of figure skating this season.
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You should hear how they butchered my brother’s name at his college graduation…I was like really?
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They said that in the biography too.Chris just mentioned Starr singing her own program music
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I am interested!I apologize for cluttering the threads with quotes from the skaters - I thought more people might be interested
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Many skaters are very intelligent....
Yeah, some just don't care or maybe think it has to be pronounced in their language. That's why i can't listen most of french journalists pronounce bantu and west african names. They really have a problem with names that start with M or N and that have a consonant after. For example they KNOW that Mbappé is pronounced Bappé not M-bappé. The real pronunciation is more like Mmmbappé but the silent m is difficult to pronounce so Bappé is acceptable. But they don't even say that. Same with N'Golo Kanté. It's Golo but they say N-Golo. Again, they KNOW the real pronounciation.
They make an effort for european names. As for Thomas Tuchel that they were pronuncing in french when he started to coach the PSG, but they quickly changed for the correct pronunciation after a few weeks.
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