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2023-24 Russian Grand Prix - Stage 1 - Ufa

Mariott

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I don't really get where you are getting this idea from that the Japanese are so overscored and the Russians are dunked.
There is no high class Russian woman competing at the moment except for Gubanova who has not yet had the best skates - so it's no wonder they are not getting the highest PCS
the Japanese skaters usually do get great PCS because obviously their training is very focused on clean basic skating skills - and they are rewarded for those.
It is true, though, that there is a tendency in international judging now to be a lot stricter about edge calls and URs, but it also depends a bit on the event and the persons responsible.
Gubanova is not a top Russian athlete, she rather represents the second echelon
 

LadyB

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The world championship could be held at Khrustalny to determine gold to bronze.

Zhilina also up there assuming she can land every jump clean.

Akatieva I think will struggle a little this season because she will be several months behind the other girls.

So it's just Valieva and Petrosian. Valieva is landing her quad in training but likely no 3A. Valieva generally more stable as well but easier technical content. So it's close.
Good point. But I would just love to show the ISU and effing Thomas Bach that we still have the best girls in an official skate-off.
 

lariko

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I don't really get where you are getting this idea from that the Japanese are so overscored and the Russians are dunked.
There is no high class Russian woman competing at the moment except for Gubanova who has not yet had the best skates - so it's no wonder they are not getting the highest PCS
the Japanese skaters usually do get great PCS because obviously their training is very focused on clean basic skating skills - and they are rewarded for those.
It is true, though, that there is a tendency in international judging now to be a lot stricter about edge calls and URs, but it also depends a bit on the event and the persons responsible.
I felt that the spread of PCSs I saw in JGP for Russians was very telling, not just for someone like Shiryaeva, but also for Gladki. My understanding is that knees and edges is something that Russians just don't do as well as the Japanese, and when I look at Petrosyan, she seems to do what most young Russian athletes do: skim lightly and fast along the surface, without deep knee bend and cut into the ice with the blade being visible on each stroke and turn. I also don't think she matches stroke to music naturally.
 

Skating91

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You don't, because international judging is very different from Russian. They very, very strongly punish anything on 3-3s and higher elements, taking off GoE, edges and URs. In addition, Petrosyan will not have high PSC internationally, since pretty much every Russian trained woman who came out after the removal had a spread ranging from 3.75 to 7, nothing close to the Japanese. And PCSs make all the difference between the podium and top 6 finish.

I would love nothing more than to see Petrosyan skate for Armenia.
If the judges have a negative bias based on training location that indicates some form of corruption which is outside Petrosian's hands.

I'm making my opinion based on judges being neutral and unbiased.

International judges ignore wrong edge lutzes all the time. They ignore blade assisted jumps all the time.

Petrosian received 69 for PCS today vs Frolova 68.

Adelia's base value was 80 scoring 82.

In the world championship, the world champion's base value was 56 scoring 71.

That is a massive deficit to overcome plus Adelia has a stable 3A in the short. The world champion's maximum is about 80 in short and that's ignoring things like wrong edge on a lutz.

Try as judges might, they can't defeat the maths.
 

icewhite

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Gubanova is not a top Russian athlete, she rather represents the second echelon

my point was just that it's no wonder no Russia-born woman so far has received high scores in international competitions this season
 

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lariko

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If the judges have a negative bias based on training location that indicates some form of corruption which is outside Petrosian's hands.

I'm making my opinion based on judges being neutral and unbiased.

International judges ignore wrong edge lutzes all the time. They ignore blade assisted jumps all the time.

Petrosian received 69 for PCS today vs Frolova 68.

Adelia's base value was 80 scoring 82.

In the world championship, the world champion's base value was 56.

That is a massive deficit to overcome plus Adelia has a stable 3A in the short. The world champion's maximum is about 80 in short and that's ignoring things like wrong edge on a lutz.

Try as judges might, they can't defeat the maths.
Trust me, the judges are very, very good at math, particularly now that they have 3 PCSs to work with, not 5. Lol.

Until Petrosyan goes toe to toe with the Japanese and Koreans, with the currently sitting tech panels, the direct comparison is impossible.

Tbh, if she knew she has a world title in the bag, I would have expected her to switch last year, not strive for gold in Ufa.
 

yume

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Let's not forget that most of the Russians who skate for other countries do it because they couldn't get spots for serious international comps like GPs euros, euros, worlds. Even Gubanova who despite her decent level and scores never got a GP. That's how hard it is in Russia. Even challengers are hard to get since most of the spots goes to those who got selected for GPs.

So it isn't surprising that when they escape Russia, they don't get 8s and 9s like top Russian women who get send to GPs, euros, worlds.
 
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