2023 Europeans: Info & Pregame Chat

[Mariiiiskate]

Is Nika really that tall? I thought it looked like Morisi, but it's hard to say from behind. Doesn't really matter, because the main thing is there are two Danny G.s in the picture.

Btw, go Nika, my dark horse!

idk, im guessing too lmoa

Im going based on the fact that Nika is still training there full time so its more likely to be him, but back of the head really tells me nothing

edit. ok now that ive zoomed in really close to his side profile its likely Morisi but where is Nika?
Also why not Dudakov? Doesn't he normally go with the boys?

 

[Caliban]

Also why not Dudakov? Doesn't he normally go with the boys?

Danny G often go with Morisi before

 

[dorispulaski]

The start times on the Detailed results are 5 to 15 minutes different than on the last schedule.

 

[Andrea82]

Technical panels

Women

TC: Lise Rosto JENSEN. (Norway)
TS: Merja HUTTUNEN (Finland) and Masako KAWAI (Japan)

Men

TC: Yukiko OKABE (Japan)
TS: Vera VANDECAVEYE (Belgium) and Filip STILLER BOROWICZ (Sweden)

*Vandecaveye and Stiller were both in the Women Tech Panel at Finlandia Trophy

Pair

TC: Fabio BIANCHETTI (Italy)
TS: Sarkis TEWANIAN (Poland) and Dana GRAHAM (USA)

Ice Dance:

TC: Shawn RETTSTATT (USA)
TS: Marie BOWNESS (Canada) and Joanna BUDNER-SZUMAN (Poland)

*Bowness and Budner were both in the Finnish GP panel

 

[Andrea82]

Technical panels

Women

TC: Lise Rosto JENSEN. (Norway)
TS: Merja HUTTUNEN (Finland) and Masako KAWAI (Japan)

Men

TC: Yukiko OKABE (Japan)
TS: Vera VANDECAVEYE (Belgium) and Filip STILLER BOROWICZ (Sweden)

*Vandecaveye and Stiller were both in the Women Tech Panel at Finlandia Trophy

Pair

TC: Fabio BIANCHETTI (Italy)
TS: Sarkis TEWANIAN (Poland) and Dana GRAHAM (USA)

Ice Dance:

TC: Shawn RETTSTATT (USA)
TS: Marie BOWNESS (Canada) and Joanna BUDNER-SZUMAN (Poland)

*Bowness and Budner were both in the Finnish GP panel

 

[Caliban]

Also why not Dudakov? Doesn't he normally go with the boys?

It seems Dudakov also here

 

[AlexRus]

ISU European Championships 2023
In order of Season Best this season, * - unofficial best if no official.

Men
No Name Nation Score
1 Adam SIAO HIM FA FRA 268.98
2 Daniel GRASSL ITA 264.35
3 Kevin AYMOZ FRA 258.02
4 Deniss VASILJEVS LAT 254.56
5 Lukas BRITSCHGI SUI 253.66
6 Matteo RIZZO ITA 253.34
7 Gabriele FRANGIPANI ITA 244.57
8 Nika EGADZE GEO 233.40
9 Morisi KVITELASHVILI GEO 231.30
10 Andreas NORDEBACK SWE 229.88
11 Mihhail SELEVKO EST 220.33
12 Burak DEMIRBOGA TUR 220.23*
13 Mark GORODNITSKY ISR 218.83
14 Nikita STAROSTIN GER 217.04
15 Tomas-Llorenc GUARINO SABATE ESP 216.05
16 Vladimir SAMOILOV POL 212.79
17 Valtter VIRTANEN FIN 204.02
18 Davide LEWTON BRAIN MON 203.16
19 Maurizio ZANDRON AUT 201.72
20 Jari KESSLER CRO 197.99
21 Adam HAGARA SVK 189.27
22 Graham NEWBERRY GBR 182.99
23 Kyrylo MARSAK UKR 179.97
24 Aleksandr VLASENKO HUN 177.16
25 Petr KOTLARIK CZE 176.57*
26 Georgii RESHTENKO CZE 168.22*
27 Samuel MCALLISTER IRL 166.61*
28 David SEDEJ SLO 153.86
29 Larry LOUPOLOVER BUL 113.09

Women
No Name Nation Score
1 Loena HENDRICKX BEL 216.34
2 Anastasiia GUBANOVA GEO 197.56
3 Ekaterina KURAKOVA POL 190.44
4 Nicole SCHOTT GER 181.41
5 Niina PETROKINA EST 181.34
6 Kimmy REPOND SUI 180.45
7 Lara Naki GUTMANN ITA 175.71
8 Janna JYRKINEN FIN 174.96
9 Lindsay VAN ZUNDERT NED 174.81
10 Olga MIKUTINA AUT 173.36
11 Nina PINZARRONE BEL 169.28*
12 Lea SERNA FRA 167.89
13 Eva-Lotta KIIBUS EST 165.21
14 Julia LANG HUN 165.07
15 Josefin TALJEGARD SWE 163.76
16 Livia KAISER SUI 161.59
17 Anastasia GRACHEVA MDA 157.46
18 Julia SAUTER ROU 156.46
19 Anastasia GOZHVA UKR 155.23
20 Natasha MCKAY GBR 155.20
21 Marilena KITROMILIS CYP 150.01
22 Alexandra FEIGIN BUL 140.96
23 Sofja STEPCENKO LAT 139.99
24 Mia Caroline RISA GOMEZ NOR 138.43
25 Dasa GRM SLO 135.27
26 Antonina DUBININA SRB 118.98
27 Alexandra MINTSIDOU GRE 118.88*
28 Alexandra Michaela FILCOVA SVK 118.84
29 Meda VARIAKOJYTE LTU 118.69
30 Nikola RYCHTARIKOVA CZE 112.54

Pairs
No Name Nation Score
1 Rebecca GHILARDI / Filippo AMBROSINI ITA 189.74
2 Sara CONTI / Niccolo MACII ITA 187.02
3 Alisa EFIMOVA / Ruben BLOMMAERT GER 186.17
4 Annika HOCKE / Robert KUNKEL GER 184.47
5 Camille KOVALEV / Pavel KOVALEV FRA 179.85
6 Nika OSIPOVA / Dmitry EPSTEIN NED 167.14
7 Lucrezia BECCARI / Matteo GUARISE ITA 166.50
8 Violetta SIEROVA / Ivan KHOBTA UKR 154.76
9 Maria PAVLOVA / Alexei SVIATCHENKO HUN 151.25
10 Anastasia VAIPAN-LAW / Luke DIGBY GBR 147.86
11 Federica SIMIOLI / Alessandro ZARBO CZE 136.02
12 Sophia SCHALLER / Livio MAYR AUT 132.96
13 Greta CRAFOORD / John CRAFOORD SWE 130.62

Ice Dance
No Name Nation Score
1 Charlene GUIGNARD / Marco FABBRI ITA 213.74
2 Lilah FEAR / Lewis GIBSON GBR 209.18
3 Evgeniia LOPAREVA / Geoffrey BRISSAUD FRA 192.85
4 Juulia TURKKILA / Matthias VERSLUIS FIN 191.79
5 Allison REED / Saulius AMBRULEVICIUS LTU 189.98
6 Natalie TASCHLEROVA / Filip TASCHLER CZE 186.39
7 Loicia DEMOUGEOT / Theo le MERCIER FRA 182.00
8 Jennifer JANSE van RENSBURG / Benjamin STEFFAN GER 181.50
9 Maria KAZAKOVA / Georgy REVIYA GEO 176.71
10 Mariia IGNATEVA / Danijil Leonyidovics SZEMKO HUN 174.23
11 Victoria MANNI / Carlo ROETHLISBERGER ITA 165.49
12 Anna SIMOVA / Kirill AKSENOV SVK 159.14
13 Mariia HOLUBTSOVA / Kyryl BIELOBROV UKR 156.04
14 Anastasia POLIBINA / Pavel GOLOVISHNIKOV POL 154.46
15 Mariia NOSOVITSKAYA / Mikhail NOSOVITSKIY ISR 154.29
16 Mariia PINCHUK / Mykyta POGORIELOV UKR 150.95
17 Viktoriia AZROIAN / Artur GRUZDEV ARM 146.47
18 Paulina RAMANAUSKAITE / Deividas KIZALA LTU 146.38
19 Aurelija IPOLITO / Luke RUSSELL LAT 144.45
20 Arianna SASSI / Luca MORINI SUI 142.67*
21 Samantha RITTER / Daniel BRYKALOV AZE 138.92
22 Maria BJORKLI / James KOSZUTA NOR 136.47*
23 Hanna JAKUCS / Alessio GALLI NED 136.30

 

[AlexRus]

It seems Dudakov also here

At the photo - Dudakov of course. I know him very well.

 

[TT_Fin]

Tomorrows starting orders, men and pairs, has been published.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Tomorrows starting orders, men and pairs, has been published.

Can someone explain how they decide the groups for Euros? It seems is not using either season ranking or world ranking Is it a mix of both of them?

 

[TT_Fin]

Can someone explain how they decide the groups for Euros? It seems is not using either season ranking or world ranking Is it a mix of both of them?

I think our local commentators once told this: They distribute the skaters by season rankings into two groups. After it the skating order is drawn in both groups.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

I think our local commentators once told this: They distribute the skaters by season rankings into two groups. After it the skating order is drawn in both groups.

Hm... can you explain how that would work in Mia Risa Gomez and Janna Jyrkinens case for example? It´s a big difference in WR and SR for both. Mia is listed as 101 in WR but 33 in SR. According to my reading there It´s only 8 skaters ahead of her that is competing at Euros from that list. Janna Jyrkinen is ranked as 32 at SR and 66 at WR, and she has only 7 skaters ahead of her on the SR list. There are only 30 skaters to start, so that would most likely mean they are going to divide it into 5 groups of six skaters?

So from my understanding both Mia and Janna will be amongst top 15 that would be drawing for the start order in group 3, 4 or 5? Or do I got it all wrong?

Edit: Maybe they will have 6 groups of 5 skaters instead now? Since there have been WD. That would make much more sense.

 

[TT_Fin]

Hm... can you explain how that would work in Mia Risa Gomez and Janna Jyrkinens case for example? It´s a big difference in WR and SR for both. Mia is listed as 101 in WR but 33 in SR. According to my reading there It´s only 8 skaters ahead of her that is competing at Euros from that list. Janna Jyrkinen is ranked as 32 at SR and 66 at WR, and she has only 7 skaters ahead of her on the SR list. There are only 30 skaters to start, so that would most likely mean they are going to divide it into 5 groups of six skaters?

So from my understanding both Mia and Janna will be amongst top 15 that would be drawing for the start order in group 3, 4 or 5? Or do I got it all wrong?

I can explain only that our commentators mix up things quite a lot and I may remember the what ranking is used wrong. But distributing skaters in groups should be the answer why nr 1 does not always skate first.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

I can explain only that our commentators mix up things quite a lot and I may remember the what ranking is used wrong. But distributing skaters in groups should be the answer why nr 1 does not always skate first.

I guess we just have to wait for the draw tomorrow

 

[norwegianfairytale]

I can explain only that our commentators mix up things quite a lot and I may remember the what ranking is used wrong. But distributing skaters in groups should be the answer why nr 1 does not always skate first.

I do remember now one television commentator say that Carolina Kostner was skating in the first group at EC or WC because she had been out with injury and hadn´t competed all season. Based on that it seems SR is used but it could also be she was out longer so she was very low on the WR list.

 

[TimSparkle]

Can someone explain how they decide the groups for Euros? It seems is not using either season ranking or world ranking Is it a mix of both of them?

It is by world standings.

From rules:

"B. ISU Championships – Special Technical Rules
Rule 520
Draws for Competitors
1. Applicable for all ISU Championships as from the 2022/23 season, the
draw for the Short Program/Rhythm Dance and if applicable, for the
Qualifying Free Skating/Free Dance will be held according to the latest
World Standings as follows, whereby World Standings will be
established as per the procedure published in an ISU Communication:
a) For the purpose of the draw, the Competitors are listed in
accordance with the latest ISU World Standings at the time of the
Team Leaders Meeting at the respective competition.
b) The Competitors will be divided into starting order groups in
accordance to Table I of the Technical Rules using the total
number of Competitors entered.
c) Within the starting order groups, the Competitors will be divided
into two equal subgroups, in case of an odd number of
Competitors the subgroups with the Competitors drawing for the
higher starting numbers will include one more Skater/Pair/Couple.
d) There will be a free draw among all Competitors of each such
subgroup with the highest ranked Skater/Pair/Couple of the World
Standings drawing first and so on.
e) In case of ties in the World Standings there will be a separate draw
between the tied Competitors to decide the order of the draw. In
case of ties in the World Standings on the border of starting order
groups or the subgroups, all those tied Competitors will be
included in the later group or subgroup and the earlier competing
group or subgroup will be smaller by the number of Competitors
so added to a later group. However, this procedure has no
influence on the size of the warm-up groups for the Short Program
/ Rhythm Dance or Qualifying Free Skating/Free Dance which
strictly follows Table II of the Technical Rules.
f) Skaters/Pairs/Couples, who have not received any ISU World
Standing points will be listed at the bottom of the list in country
order. There will be a separate draw between those
Skaters/Pairs/Couples with no World Standing placements to
determine the starting order, following the basic principles of the
draws.
"

 

[norwegianfairytale]

It is by world standings.

From rules:

"B. ISU Championships – Special Technical Rules
Rule 520
Draws for Competitors
1. Applicable for all ISU Championships as from the 2022/23 season, the
draw for the Short Program/Rhythm Dance and if applicable, for the
Qualifying Free Skating/Free Dance will be held according to the latest
World Standings as follows, whereby World Standings will be
established as per the procedure published in an ISU Communication:
a) For the purpose of the draw, the Competitors are listed in
accordance with the latest ISU World Standings at the time of the
Team Leaders Meeting at the respective competition.
b) The Competitors will be divided into starting order groups in
accordance to Table I of the Technical Rules using the total
number of Competitors entered.
c) Within the starting order groups, the Competitors will be divided
into two equal subgroups, in case of an odd number of
Competitors the subgroups with the Competitors drawing for the
higher starting numbers will include one more Skater/Pair/Couple.
d) There will be a free draw among all Competitors of each such
subgroup with the highest ranked Skater/Pair/Couple of the World
Standings drawing first and so on.
e) In case of ties in the World Standings there will be a separate draw
between the tied Competitors to decide the order of the draw. In
case of ties in the World Standings on the border of starting order
groups or the subgroups, all those tied Competitors will be
included in the later group or subgroup and the earlier competing
group or subgroup will be smaller by the number of Competitors
so added to a later group. However, this procedure has no
influence on the size of the warm-up groups for the Short Program
/ Rhythm Dance or Qualifying Free Skating/Free Dance which
strictly follows Table II of the Technical Rules.
f) Skaters/Pairs/Couples, who have not received any ISU World
Standing points will be listed at the bottom of the list in country
order. There will be a separate draw between those
Skaters/Pairs/Couples with no World Standing placements to
determine the starting order, following the basic principles of the
draws.
"

Thank you!

 

[icetug]

It is by world standings.

From rules:

That's interesting: the last group of men should consists of: Daniel (no 2), Matteo (no 6), Morisi (no 9), Adam (no 10), Deniss (no 11) and Kevin (no 18). But as Lucas is also no 18, like Kevin, they are in the same last group while Deniss has been moved to the second to last group... Quite messed up.

 

[DenissVFan]

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Really weird rule when you have a situation like this. Deniss is ahead of both of them in WS but he is the one who gets pushed out of the last group

Seriously they should have a draw first between Lukas and Kevin to split between the two last groups, and then have the draw between subgroups afterwards..?!