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2024-25 Russian Women's Figure Skating

uwoawuwoa

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I'm glad you agree! Free programs in general elucidate minute shortcomings of this sort. Again, in the SP Adeliia and Sofia exit their 3A with momentum and confidence, remaining sharp and escaping habit. Contrastingly, avoiding total failure becomes the foremost concern of our thoughts as free skates end and endurance wanes. As such, the original comparison of FS to SP was incomplete; further research was required into direct comparisons. I think it was valuable elaboration to compare identical scenarios.


Yes, we have reached agreement on this long ago. I concede this superiority of Akateva's glide to Adeliia.


Aha! So we are beginning to merge on the same point I was making from the beginning. Adeliia is not playing with the rest! Its no wonder or controversy that Akateva valiantly defends her personal, isolated kingdom. A kingdom which, again, still conquers probably everyone else! How unbelievable is the talent we find in skating??


It is a valid criticism. Adeliia and Akateva do tend to freeze often under such pressure.

Shall we venture further on this fascinating matter? Is this a particular weakness of theirs or a general struggle for quadsters? Let's find out!

Beginning naturally with our two favourites in question:

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I consider the beginning single-foot glide as no freeze, it is a beautiful and light hold, generating anticipation and stealing breath from the viewers as we soar towards the jump. Neither do we expect twizzles into a 4F! However, her extended arms freeze during the 3-turn as if carefully holding something? It is awkward. On principle, I actually prefer such a position as opposed to the standard T-pose every girl freezes into. This could be a uniquely beautiful entry, but the near absolute freeze is off-putting. Why not slowly lift her arms into said position, then quickly swing down to the hips and back up for momentum? It would be beautiful. Or, she could begin at the apex and slowly decline to her hips from which she then likewise swings in.

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Akateva, her arms are unfrozen, unlike Adeliia's - a serious distinction; yet the general entry holds no dynamics. I can see a case for it to be considered above Adeliia, being so effortless and escaping awkward breaks, despite its simplicity and lacking excitiement. Consider also though that this is a 4T compared to Adeliia's 4F... Close... but at face value I think I prefer Akateva's!

Now lets look at the classic era quadster trio:

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Shcherbakova is reminiscent of Akateva, though the hand-over-head into the 3-turn renders her the best so far, notwithstanding an arguably inferior flow to Akateva (or should we say Akateva is reminiscient of Shcherbakova? We are speaking about the Olympic Champion!). Remember the observation: Akateva is an introverted Shcherbakova? I am noticing it more!

In these entries we observe strikingly similar cognitive planning, alongside equally wonderful distinctions in their external personality! Notice Shcherbakova's explosivity and flare, juxtaposed with Akateva gentler, intelligent and smooth flow into a similarly impressive takeoff.



And we continue

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Distinct to all aforementioned skaters, Valieva doesn't freeze or hold any sort of pose whatsoever. She drops her hands as if there is no care for the jump. I cannot even judge her dynamics because there are none. For this reason she is my least favourite in this context. I can not even comment on anything; nothing is happening. Consider also these are 4S and 4T - not even a 4F!

And unsurpsingly my favourite today:

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Intelligent, effective, gorgeous turns as she builds momentum, letting her arms follow the bends of her knees. The handwork holds no tension, remaining elegantly dynamic. The formerly discussed artists - hypnotized in their contemplation of a jump's personality, negotiating for compromise... Ignatova - ceaselessly baring herself forward as David to Goliath! No judgement, no questions, and no fear!! There is only charge by the sword for Ignatova leaves desolate once soaring banners of the 4F!! To at once lull and liven the ice in one entry... We are unsurprised given her temperament and athletic superiority. Her unparalleled physical gift allows easy mastery in circumstances under which others freeze or flounder.

In conclusion, I find your critique entirely valid, though not necessarily separating the two from anyone but Ignatova.

Akateva walks the easiest road to perfection here, without stutter or distinct freeze but merely a lethargic atmosphere. I am not detecting poor subconscious habits in her case - which are the most dangerous factors potentially encountered under stressful circumstances like a quad entry. Shcherbakova flows, and her dynamics supersede most, but there is still separation between the sections of her entry; Akateva is more seamless, she just needs to become cognizant of adding dynamics.

Adeliia's entry is more unique than Akateva, also exhibiting greater energy and dynamics, but we observes something far more concerning: habit of total freeze in the aforementioned held pose on the 3-turn. If she can fix this stutter she should be the best of the 3.

Despite even my celebration of Petrosian's talent, Ignatova's in this context should remain an isolated case.


Yes. But I am speaking about transferring dance on ice to off ice, rather than vice versa as with Dikidzhi.

I've seen clips of Adeliia's off-ice dance training, directly next to Akateva and some leading Tutberidze girls; she is noticeably beyond them. I haven't actually seen Dikidzhi's dancing outside of TikTok gimmicks; is he really a dancer or just an intermediate hip-hop enthusiast?

I often make the dance comment to elucidate my criteria as being similar to such an art as opposed to sport, rather than directly measuring them as literal dancers, which would be impossible given variety of genre and also useless since they are skaters, not dancers.

Yes, I mentioned the two in a competition of dance, but I present it as a reasonable thought experiment further elucidating my approach, rather than a literal suggestion. For example, we may conclude Zhilina's strictly athletic competitivity, independent of skating, yet we aren't suggesting a gymnastics tournament.

Recall my criteria, by which I then simply draw parallel with a ballerina as opposed to a sportsman:



I also don't recall implying that Zhilina "lacks" in any way, simply that under the above criteria she is incomparable to Adeliia.



So here I should have perhaps elaborated on my intention with "competition of dance".

In any case, I think you understand my position now quite well. If we consider exactly as such, perhaps you might sympathize with my initial shock in comparison of Adellia and Zhilina? Macro-physicality exists with the latter in debatably comparable magnitude, but not the finer dynamic gentleness as described in the previous quotes.

Like with Akateva, there is no dismissal of Zhilina - simply Petrosian flies above.



I am doubtless that Zhilina supersedes comparison with Dikidzhi.

Indeed, you may be considering past raw athleticism, I wouldn't ever accuse you of lacking dimensionality in your analyses! Ponder on Zhilina even further under my criteria, compared with Adeliia, which was the original issue - see if we might agree.


I do not believe the 3As she demonstrated in the discussed open training are worthy of +5, especially if considering Kostornaia or Muravieva for that matter. I hope few if any perceived such a suggestion from my commentary.

I was debating with Skating91 about her general scoring and potential to break the world record. She would not require +5s across her entire elemental repertoire, but average 4s for toe-jumps (absolutely reasonable) and her 3A remains an easy +3 if she executes it as seen in the clip above.

Some may struggle with my appeal to possibility, but, recall in context that Skating91 explicitly allowed me the best case scenario. Furthermore, considering her improvement from finals to pre-season, we do have empirical data to support extrapolation into the future that the aforementioned GOE is reasonable. I also mentioned that she has earned 4s in previous seasons, during which she was significantly weaker, so the suggestion is supported by data although far from proven - something I never contradicted.

Supplementally, your quote:



P.S. The extensive analysis required for my last reply proved most valuable to my understanding of figure skating. Thank you for challenging me. I only now realize my developed efficacy in StSq analysis, resulting from the research I completed on edge changes and turns to properly assess the skills of our two favourites.
Sasha Ignatova (It's so weird saying her new last name, but I will try to get used to it) is a bit jerky in her overall movements as she turns into the jump, but if she had the control and softness of Petrosian or Akateva in the arms it would be perfect! But Sasha is not "soft" style skater so it isn't quite fair for me to expect the same in upper body movement against the girls who fit within this bracket.

Maybe since the conversations or written posts we have are very long some people just doze off or skip. Not reading all that! :ROFLMAO:

I think this is why an hour long video analysis by youtube channels (even controversial opinion based rage bate analysis) are more effective at keeping attention than long online blogs and posts on forums.
 

uwoawuwoa

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A more fun conversation without any long analysis.
Not counting team Tutberidze skaters (because most of them are all already easily podium threats for the gold medal), who is your dark horse of the season for gold?

Mine is Maria Agaeva for seniors (no real reason I just like her skating). For juniors Eva Zubkova or Alisa Yurova :yahoo:
 

Mathematician

Ecclesiastes 7:1-2 / KJV
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Sasha Ignatova (It's so weird saying her new last name, but I will try to get used to it) is a bit jerky in her overall movements as she turns into the jump, but if she had the control and softness of Petrosian or Akateva in the arms it would be perfect! But
I still prefer "sharp" over "jerky". All of her movements are intentional and valuable. Consider also the edgy music. Perfection isn't the claim, of course, but in my opinion her execution of quad-entries remains untouched. You rightly mention that conditions under which she should be judged differ from the rest:

Sasha is not "soft" style skater so it isn't quite fair for me to expect the same in upper body movement against the girls who fit within this bracket.

"Jerky" is a rather mean word when discussing skaters, but if we are to consider perhaps fleeting coarse accidents then I think Shcherbakova fits more from my examples. As I mentioned in my analysis, her turns and movements during quad-entries can be a little harsh for my expectations by her flowy music and style (though, I can understand a disagreement). These imperfections strike me as moments of lost focus, while Ignatova doesn't elicit such notions.

Analyzing skating ability holistically would yield a very different perspective, but Igantova's undisputed athleticism should hold as favourite when discussing anything concerning quads.

Would it be an improvement if she bore Petrosian or Akateva's softness? Its subjective. I lean towards probably yes.

That delicate, soft balleticism accompanied her youth, though with age she veered towards ferocity. I suppose that artistically we're both unsatisfied with that, but appreciation for her unique and volcanic personality is surely justified.

Let's reminisce upon my favourite of her programs. Refusing submission to the paradigm of vulnerable, brittle beauty, Ignatova uniquely exhibited a still fantastically gentle sophistication somehow escaping too any semblance of fragility. How I wish she would wontedly skate such amiably tact unpretentious drama:



On basis of certain programs, artistic criticism may have been warranted, but the community has carelessly forgotten her inherent affinity for music; woe, to masses this girl serves now as personification of artistic mediocrity...

I think this is why an hour long video analysis by youtube channels (even controversial opinion based rage bate analysis) are more effective at keeping attention than long online blogs and posts on forums.
People these days literally can not read. Videos are the only way to have all eyes on us, but we're not looking for that. In any case as a lousy orator I prefer writing.
 
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Mathematician

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A more fun conversation without any long analysis.
Not counting team Tutberidze skaters (because most of them are all already easily podium threats for the gold medal), who is your dark horse of the season for gold?

Mine is Maria Agaeva for seniors (no real reason I just like her skating). For juniors Eva Zubkova or Alisa Yurova :yahoo:

It depends what you mean by dark horse. I suppose there is no dark horse for the actual gold medal realistic enough to be interesting. For the podium I think there is one - Gorbacheva.

Frolova and Sinitsyna are toast again now that we have Akateva to fill Valieva's vacancy. Like Valieva, even without ultra-c Akateva will be mopping the floor with these two. They should be thankful for last year's Spartakiad one-time medal opportunity with both Valieva and Muravieva out - the most barren tournament for Russia in a really long time. They had their fun, now its back to battling for 4th I suppose, and thats still assuming Sadkova and Gorbacheva continue stumbling and tumbling...

However, if Gorbacheva stabilizes her 4S, then she could feasibly take the bronze from an ultra-c-less Akateva, assuming a freak mistake from the latter.

If we ignore your Tutberidze clause, we can count Sadkova as a bronze dark horse as well.

Hm... Does Akateva count as a dark horse for the gold, now that I think of it? I mean, nobody is expecting Adeliia to lose, but if Akateva has 2 4Ts and a 3A at least its possible!

Muravieva? Last season she was already betting on total meltdown from Petrosian and blew it. Petrosian was constantly sick and stumbling but still won. However, we have not seen anything from Mura, so if she improved as much as Petrosian then 3 3As could technically be a threat. We also understand though that Petrosian was expected to improve, meanwhile with Mura we have no reason to expect unusually significant gains. We also didn't see clean quads from Petrosian at the expected level... I dont know if Muravieva is interestingly realistic, she is also very prominent at this point so I couldn't call her a dark horse, but a very unlikely but hypothetically considerable threat.

With juniors I admit my lack of education. I can say that likewise there likely is no dark horse for the actual gold. Its Dvoeglazova or Bazyluk. Maybe Kostyleva is considered a dark horse for gold? She is very inconsistent and unproven on the big stage.

For podium... I don't know who is beating those three. I suppose we know Kostyleva is very capable of total meltdown, though. Are we still ignoring Tutberidze here? I suppose Pleskacheva is not a dark horse as the reigning bronze. Dzepka is a boring answer. Titova is illegible.

You know what, whatever, I'm going with Diana Milto for a podium dark horse. Total melt down from everyone and she lands two 4S!! What a beautiful FS she has, my favourite junior program right now, and I recall she had a thought-provoking StSq in the SP though I embarrassingly forget most of the actual program.

With juniors the field is so massive that we cannot ignore Tutberidze. In this case I take the confident choice of Lukasheva for a bronze dark horse. I really, really want to see her SP clean with final refinement.
 

MuseGuy11

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Short Program Music from Test Skates:

Adeliya Petrosyan:
SP: Interlude by Erika Lundmoen/A Taste of Elegance by Anne-Sophie Versnaeyen and Gabriel Saban

Alexandra Ignatova (Trusova):
SP: Bésame mucho by Consuelo Velázquez, performed by J2 and Ilza

Alina Gorbacheva:
SP: Madness by Ruelle/Bad to the Bone by George Thorogood, performed by 2WEI and Bri Bryant

Anna Frolova:
SP: T'es où by Camille Lellouche

Daria Sadkova:
SP: House of the Rising Sun (American Folk Song) performed by Hailey Reinhardt

Ksenia Sinitsyna:
SP: The Mystic's Dream by Loreena McKennitt/Spirits by Chronis Taxidis

Sofia Akatieva:
SP: Masquerade Waltz by Aram Khachaturian

Sofia Muravieva:
SP: Ethnic Vocals by Soul Pacifica/A Swan is Born from Black Swan by Clint Mansell/Pas de Six Intrada from Swan Lake by Pyotr Tchaikovsky

Veronika Yametova:
SP: L'ambôccá by Califato/La caña by Grupo Gitano Los Tarantos
 

MuseGuy11

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Free Skate Music from Test Skates:

Adeliya Petrosyan:
FS: Nocturne No. 1 in D Minor by Jon Batiste/Yo Soy Maria from María de Buenos Aires by Astor Piazzolla, performed by Milva

Alexandra Ignatova (Trusova):
FS: Balder by Power-Haus, Christian Reindl, and Lucie Paradis/They Beat Us, We Fly by Dzhakhan Pollyeva and Andrey Ktitarev, performed by Anastasiya Spiridonova

Alina Gorbacheva:
FS: James Bond - Writing's on the Wall by Sam Smith, performed by Tika Shizovokills/The World Is Not Enough by Garbage

Anna Frolova:
FS: Cats by Andrew Lloyd Webber - Macavity performed by Taylor Swift, Memory performed by Jennifer Hudson and Geek Music

Daria Sadkova:
FS: Je t'aime by Lara Fabian

Ksenia Sinitsyna:
FS: Shine On You Crazy Diamond by Pink Floyd

Sofia Akatieva:
FS: Admiral by Gleb Matveychuk, Ruslan Muratov, and Igor Matvienko - Anna performed by Vika Dayneko/Trinity by James Dooley

Sofia Muravieva:
FS: Swan Lake by Pyotr Tchaikovsky, performed by Universal Production Music and David Garrett/Mother Me from Black Swan by Clint Mansell

Veronika Yametova:
FS: Power-Haus, Christian Reindl, and Lucie Paradis - Balder, Gefion
 

Amei

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Doesn't look good for V. Zhilina's career, Plushenko is saying she's got a back injury and distancing himself from the situation, so I don't think this is a ruse to change Feds

 

Azikin

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Doesn't look good for V. Zhilina's career, Plushenko is saying she's got a back injury and distancing himself from the situation, so I don't think this is a ruse to change Feds
At least we have one more Zhilina to look forward to seeing...
 

lariko

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What "horror" treatment did Trusova receive? And I don't think trapping kids/indebting families with terrible contracts is any better than nasty remarks because you matched your coach's drama queen energy.
Bullying and internet hate campaign. Contracts work because they remove drama. Like it? Sign it. Don't like it? Don't sign it. Want to break it, pay down. Simple, efficient, and spares everyone the aggravation. Nobody hears anything about it aside from a footnote about coaching change. It's not hard. But, apparently, people prefer drama, mud slinging and posturing.
 

JeanA

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Doesn't look good for V. Zhilina's career, Plushenko is saying she's got a back injury and distancing himself from the situation, so I don't think this is a ruse to change Feds

I hope her back injury isn't so bad that she can't skate again. The ultra-si jumps may be too hard on her body, but she has impeccable technique that hopefully she can just do triples. Perhaps she could change federations and have some success just doing triples with another fed. It would be a tragedy if she doesn't ever compete again. I wonder when Plush will say "I never trained her, in fact I barely know who she is". "Angels", my foot...
 

Alex65

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Long time no see :) Hello guys. It's funny to see the same old reasoning again.. "Oh, how good are the Tutberidze girls! These crazy PCS are theirs by right!" Although this is just a mega super bonus of Tutberidze that is passed down from generation to generation. SS Petrosyan is great?? Are you serious? Rewatch Kastornaya 18-19. There it is by right. How can they be put side by side and evaluated equally?
 

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Long time no see :) Hello guys. It's funny to see the same old reasoning again.. "Oh, how good are the Tutberidze girls! These crazy PCS are theirs by right!" Although this is just a mega super bonus of Tutberidze that is passed down from generation to generation. SS Petrosyan is great?? Are you serious? Rewatch Kastornaya 18-19. There it is by right. How can they be put side by side and evaluated equally?

Would you quote the comment here that compares Petrosian's SS to "Kastornaya" and provide a substantive rebuttal or it looks like you just copy pasted a reddit post from 2021

I'm pretty sure I even posted a "Kastornaya" performance in this very thread and specifically mentioned that she has the best SS and is arguably the total peak of ladies...

Yup:

I made a post earlier analyzing the season averages of different skaters, Kostornaia I believe was 3rd or 4th of all time. Pairing this with her superior SS to other girls and non-inferior artistry I would fault nobody for considering her peak season as the absolute peak of ladies skating.

More "Kastornaya" acknowledgement:

Kostornaia deserved her 260 entirely. People forget how good she was including myself sometimes. When I rewatch her programs I am in awe.



"Kastornaya" arguably has the greatest SS ever seen. Why would we put anyone down by comparing them to her? Can't she just be good without everyone else being an over-scored xerox? Is Kostornaia the only Eteri girl who escaped over-scoring? Is SS, being 1/3 of PCS, being one of two parts of scoring, and scoring giving only a myopic view of the skater's greater purpose, the only thing we should consider? Or did we all fairly concede SS to "Kastornaya" and express our appreciation of other athletes in other ways? Elaborate...

So can you answer honestly if you're here to partake in any sophisticated analysis like the rest of us or you are just here to rebut non-existent straw-mans based on your skewed, bias expectation of what people are saying without actually reading a single word of anything? Just to put down athletes? No hate, just be honest with me. I am genuinely tired of nostalgics here complaining how poor all the new skaters are. Not one of these people ever provide a drop of reasoning outside reposting AAA YouTube edits and going dark when pressed. So you see how much respect I render Kostornaia WITHOUT denigrating other athletes? And without condescension towards everyone in the entire thread over things literally nobody claimed? If you want to do it at least give us some effort.

So much negativity in figure skating its unbelievable and its not even directed at anything that was ever said here. Like its just negativity for the sake of it. I dont understand man.
 
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Remilia

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Doesn't look good for V. Zhilina's career, Plushenko is saying she's got a back injury and distancing himself from the situation, so I don't think this is a ruse to change Feds

well, I don't think they would lie about it just to switch feds. But it's possible that the back injury might lead to her switching feds, who knows. Regarding the actual injury, what I've read makes me think Plushy thought she should get surgery, but her mom wanted to try to let it heal through conservative methods. Which I can understand. Not easy to decide to have your child get major surgery, especially if her back doesn't bother her in her normal life
 

Skating91

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well, I don't think they would lie about it just to switch feds. But it's possible that the back injury might lead to her switching feds, who knows. Regarding the actual injury, what I've read makes me think Plushy thought she should get surgery, but her mom wanted to try to let it heal through conservative methods. Which I can understand. Not easy to decide to have your child get major surgery, especially if her back doesn't bother her in her normal life
If I was going to switch feds, this is how I would do it.
 

Skating91

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Would you quote the comment here that compares Petrosian's SS to "Kastornaya" and provide a substantive rebuttal or it looks like you just copy pasted a reddit post from 2021

I'm pretty sure I even posted a "Kastornaya" performance in this very thread and specifically mentioned that she has the best SS and is arguably the total peak of ladies...

Yup:



More "Kastornaya" acknowledgement:



"Kastornaya" arguably has the greatest SS ever seen. Why would we put anyone down by comparing them to her? Can't she just be good without everyone else being an over-scored xerox? Is Kostornaia the only Eteri girl who escaped over-scoring? Is SS, being 1/3 of PCS, being one of two parts of scoring, and scoring giving only a myopic view of the skater's greater purpose, the only thing we should consider? Or did we all fairly concede SS to "Kastornaya" and express our appreciation of other athletes in other ways? Elaborate...

So can you answer honestly if you're here to partake in any sophisticated analysis like the rest of us or you are just here to rebut non-existent straw-mans based on your skewed, bias expectation of what people are saying without actually reading a single word of anything? Just to put down athletes? No hate, just be honest with me. I am genuinely tired of nostalgics here complaining how poor all the new skaters are. Not one of these people ever provide a drop of reasoning outside reposting AAA YouTube edits and going dark when pressed. So you see how much respect I render Kostornaia WITHOUT denigrating other athletes? And without condescension towards everyone in the entire thread over things literally nobody claimed? If you want to do it at least give us some effort.

So much negativity in figure skating its unbelievable and its not even directed at anything that was ever said here. Like its just negativity for the sake of it. I dont understand man.
The only Eteri who had PCS inflation was Trusova, even then it was later in her career.

At Europeans 2020, Kostornaia got 72.58 for PCS in the free skate (1 fall). At the 2019 GP final where Kostornaia was clean she got 73.27.

Just over two years later Sakamoto at World's 2022 got 75.67, Hendrickx got 72.04 :scratch2:. They were attempting programs with a base value 10 points less than Kostornaia so much, much simpler content (Kostornaia had two triple axels - extraordinary!). Hendrickx had one jump on the q and an underrotation as well, so not a clean program. The extraordinary score PCS score was Hendrickx at Skate America last year doing that Madonna program where there is a lot of bopping up and down she got 72.94 for PCS.

Valieva with 76.27 at 2021 Rostelecom Cup for a perfectly executed program with three quads and one triple axel seems quite restrained compared to what skaters would be receiving a mere 4 months later at worlds, and less than two years later in GP events.

It's not for me to judge whether those extraordinary PCS numbers are correct or not, but we can safely say Kostornaia did not receive inflated scores, nor did Valieva, Shchebakova, and I don't think Petrosian is either (74.46 for the Russian championships if relatively restrained given how international skaters are scored just one all on the 4F by the way).

Even this year at World's Hendrickx with a horror program that had a base value of 49 (compared to Kostornaia 69 at 2020 Europeans), jump downgraded, a fall, another on the q, she still got 69.40 for PCS. Levito managed 70.39 for PCS.
 

Mathematician

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The only Eteri who had PCS inflation was Trusova, even then it was later in her career.

At Europeans 2020, Kostornaia got 72.58 for PCS in the free skate (1 fall). At the 2019 GP final where Kostornaia was clean she got 73.27.

Just over two years later Sakamoto at World's 2022 got 75.67, Hendrickx got 72.04 :scratch2:. They were attempting programs with a base value 10 points less than Kostornaia so much, much simpler content (Kostornaia had two triple axels - extraordinary!). Hendrickx had one jump on the q and an underrotation as well, so not a clean program. The extraordinary score PCS score was Hendrickx at Skate America last year doing that Madonna program where there is a lot of bopping up and down she got 72.94 for PCS.

Valieva with 76.27 at 2021 Rostelecom Cup for a perfectly executed program with three quads and one triple axel seems quite restrained compared to what skaters would be receiving a mere 4 months later at worlds, and less than two years later in GP events.

It's not for me to judge whether those extraordinary PCS numbers are correct or not, but we can safely say Kostornaia did not receive inflated scores, nor did Valieva, Shchebakova, and I don't think Petrosian is either (74.46 for the Russian championships if relatively restrained given how international skaters are scored just one all on the 4F by the way).

Even this year at World's Hendrickx with a horror program that had a base value of 49 (compared to Kostornaia 69 at 2020 Europeans), jump downgraded, a fall, another on the q, she still got 69.40 for PCS. Levito managed 70.39 for PCS.
Hahaha, I didnt know it was that bad!! You know more about the internationals than I do. I was blissfully ignorant on this state of affairs. The audacity for them to claim that we're over-scored!! Sakamoto over Kostornaia. Amazing!

Just skimmed Glenn's FS. Cant wait for that royalty free string sample program to get marked over Akateva's FS. They will continue claiming we are over scoring. This world is an inversion.
 

Alex65

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More "Kastornaya" acknowledgement:
You asked - I will answer. This is not about humiliating some athlete. They all, without exception, deserve great respect for their gigantic work and courage, for the many years that at their young age are priceless, given to this wonderful sport. I am talking specifically about the atmosphere in women's skating in Russia. And only about this. In short - degradation in everything (not only ultra C, but also the level of skating, physical and artistic training of athletes, staging of programs, ), and if you look at the judges' scores, articles and comments, then everything is wonderful. I see all this not through the TV screen, but with my own eyes from the stands. Even truly talented girls, like Akateva, for example, do not develop. Or rather, I think it is more correct to say that their talent is not developed by their coaches. Why should Tutberidze do hard work if there is an undeniable bonus of PCS points from the judges. Why spend money on a new program provider if Daniil can easily "create" another "masterpiece".
I probably haven't visited this forum for a couple of years. Yesterday I looked, hoping to see something interesting. Unfortunately, to no avail.
p.s. It made me laugh how diligently you pointed out my mistake in spelling Alena Kostornaya’s last name. In Russian it is pronounced exactly like that. I wrote it as I speak. If this offended anyone - my apologies)
 
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You asked - I will answer. This is not about humiliating some athlete. They all, without exception, deserve great respect for their gigantic work and courage, for the many years that at their young age are priceless, given to this wonderful sport. I am talking specifically about the atmosphere in women's skating in Russia. And only about this. In short - degradation in everything (not only ultra C, but also the level of skating, physical and artistic training of athletes, staging of programs, ), and if you look at the judges' scores, articles and comments, then everything is wonderful. I see all this not through the TV screen, but with my own eyes from the stands. Even truly talented girls, like Akateva, for example, do not develop. Or rather, I think it is more correct to say that their talent is not developed by their coaches. Why should Tutberidze do hard work if there is an undeniable bonus of PCS points from the judges. Why spend money on a new program provider if Daniil can easily "create" another "masterpiece".
I probably haven't visited this forum for a couple of years. Yesterday I looked, hoping to see something interesting. Unfortunately, to no avail.
p.s. It made me laugh how diligently you pointed out my mistake in spelling Alena Kostornaya’s last name. In Russian it is pronounced exactly like that. I wrote it as I speak. If this offended anyone - my apologies)
Right... I guess I was long aware that "rebuttal of specificity to a quoted claim" doesn't distinguish easily from unsupported abstract musings to the average person. Nothing new under the sun.

The internet has done a real number on people's thinking. Thats probably a good way to put it without getting banned.

I dont know how I'm so simple minded to still let people like this get on my nerves. I guess I can only blame my self for these things. You can take the man off of reddit, but you cant take the redditors off of the internet.

I think uwoawuwoa has given me unrealistic expectations. Now I am the one with poor ability to distinguish concepts. I will now often mistake dilettante (99.9%) for aficionado (0.1%).

P.S. Kostornaia, both o's pronounced as a's - why only change one? I've heard Kostornaia and Kastarnaia - never Kastornaia. Not that this matters to me at all. Just bizarre.
 
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