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Draw by country for Olympic panels of judges held

Andrea82

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The draw by country for the panel of judges of Beijing Olympic Games has been held tonight in Oberstdorf.

WOMEN


Finland
Austria
Belgium
Azerbaijan
Netherlands
Estonia
South Korea
USA
Russia
Canada
Czech Republic
Great Britain
China


MEN


Israel
Italy
Czech Republic
Japan
Sweden
Belarus
Latvia
China
Mexico
Estonia
France
South Korea
Canada


PAIR


Russia
China
Canada
USA
Italy
Japan
Austria
Germany
Hungary
Czech Republic
Spain
Israel
Netherlands


ICE DANCE


Russia
USA
Canada
Italy
Great Britain
Spain
Poland
China
Lithuania
France
Germany
Japan
Ukraine



Source: Jeroen Prins' facebook page

The draw procedure is as follows:
In each discipline, the draw is first done among ISU Members which qualified a skater through World Championships 2021.
If there were less than 13 ISU members qualified through Worlds 2021 (only in Pairs this time), a second draw takes place among ISU members which qualified though Nebelhorn Trophy.
If it was still not enough (again in the case of Pairs), a further draw was done among non qualified ISU Members which took part to Worlds 2021 in that discipline.
Only ISU members with a judge with ISU qualification can take part to the draw.

Now each ISU member drawn will nominate the judges. The judges must have ISU qualification and having already served in at least 2 ISU Championships//Qualifying Competition for the Olympic Games.

On site, 45 minutes before the Short Programs/Rhythm Dance, 9 judges will be drawn. The other 4 will serve in the FS along 5 judges drawn from the SP/RD's 9.
 

4everchan

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Mar 7, 2015
Looks like Canada won this draw with a judge in all 4 disciplines.... USA not represented in Men is a big deal (Russia, to a lesser extent)... as well as Japan not represented in Women
 

4everchan

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Wait... shouldn't the opposite be done? To prevent favouritism? It's a rare judge who will give their country's skater a really bad mark.

The ways of the ISU confuse me :scratch2:
Yup... the ISU. Other sports federations have fairer requirements . For instance, in diving :

Provided sufficient judges are available, the panel of judges for the final competition shall consist of judges whose nationality is different to that of any of the divers in the competition.

Source https://resources.fina.org/fina/doc...a8-e49130211edf/2017-2021_diving_16032018.pdf
 

icetug

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Honestly there are not many qualified and experienced judges outside of the "usual countries".
That would be a problem only for "usual countries", as they would not have any judges at a competition. Those federations which don't have skaters in all four disciplines could send their judges to judge a discipline not being represented by their skaters, as for example in Beijing judges from Latvia, Israel, Mexico, France could judge women instead of men while those from Austria, Belgium, Finland, Netherlands could judge men instead of women. Poland, Norway and Switzerland don't have any judges in singles for Beijing while they have experienced judges. So I think it's quite possible to gather 13 judges from "not usual" federations...
 

Andrea82

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Feb 16, 2014
The number of judges per ISU Member by qualification level is the following.

(Numbers not updated based on promotion exams from International to ISU held this week in Oberstdorf)


Single and Pair

ISUINT
Canada
18​
12​
Germany
17​
15​
USA
17​
10​
Australia
11​
8​
Italy
10​
9​
China
10​
7​
Great Britain
10​
3​
Russia
9​
12​
Finland
9​
3​
Austria
8​
9​
Switzerland
8​
6​
France
7​
11​
Slovenia
7​
2​
Japan
6​
15​
Czech Republic
6​
8​
South Korea
6​
7​
Netherlands
6​
4​
Poland
5​
8​
Slovakia
5​
4​
Sweden
5​
4​
Hungary
5​
4​
Norway
4​
4​
Croatia
4​
3​
Serbia
4​
2​
Ukraine
4​
1​
Turkey
3​
10​
Denmark
3​
4​
Spain
3​
3​
Bulgaria
3​
2​
Estonia
3​
2​
Romania
3​
2​
Israel
3​
1​
Taipei
3​
0​
Belarus
2​
4​
Mexico
2​
1​
Hong Kong
2​
1​
Kazakhstan
2​
1​
Greece
2​
0​
New Zealand
2​
0​
Belgium
1​
2​
Lithuania
1​
2​
South Africa
1​
2​
Latvia
1​
1​
Georgia
1​
1​
Uzbekistan
1​
1​
Azerbajian
1​
0​
Bosnia Herzegovina
1​
0​
Ireland
0​
2​
Thailand
0​
2​
Iceland
0​
2​
Andorra
0​
1​
North Korea
0​
1​
Luxembourg
0​
1​
Malaysia
0​
1​

Ice Dance

ISUINT
USA
12​
3​
Canada
8​
6​
Germany
8​
4​
Russia
7​
8​
Great Britain
6​
3​
France
5​
6​
Italy
5​
4​
Hungary
5​
1​
Switzerland
4​
0​
Australia
3​
6​
China
3​
5​
Ukraine
3​
1​
Finland
3​
1​
Poland
3​
1​
Czech Republic
2​
4​
Israel
2​
1​
Spain
2​
0​
Slovakia
2​
0​
Austria
1​
4​
Japan
1​
3​
Estonia
1​
2​
Turkey
1​
1​
Georgia
1​
1​
South Korea
1​
1​
Lithuania
1​
0​
Bosnia Herzegovina
1​
0​
Netherlands
1​
0​
Bulgaria
1​
0​
Azerbaijan
1​
0​
New Zealand
1​
0​
Kazakhstan
0​
2​
Belarus
0​
2​
Uzbekistan
0​
1​
Serbia
0​
1​
Denmark
0​
1​

ISU means ISU Championships level. That's the highest level. They can judge at ISU Championships (World, Junior World, European, 4 Continents), GP Final, World Team Trophy and at Olympic Qualifying Events (Nebelhorn Trophy in Olympic year).

For the Olympics, judges need to have ISU qualificaiton and having already served twice. So some of the ISU judges may not meet this requirement (especially those promoted in 2019 given the cancellations of some events in 2020-21).

INT is International judges. They can judge up to Senior Grand Prix events (but not in GP Final).

The tables include 2 judges currently suspended (1 ISU level judge from Estonia and 1 ISU level judge from Georgia). One of the Chinese judges back from 2018 suspension is still banned from judging in Olympic Games.
It also includes 1 Canada (Lavoie) and 1 USA (Cyr) judge who can't judge because of the positions they hold within ISU (ISU Council Member and Sport Technical Director).
Moreover, Technical Committee members don't serve as judges in ISU Championships and Olympics (they can be Referee or Technical Controller). So a couple of less names available (1 Italy, 1 Japan, 1 Finland and 1 Australia in Single/Pair and 1 Poland, 1 USA and 1 Great Britain in Dance) for OG.
 

snowflake

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well, they have none because their currently only ISU judge is currently suspended for her marks to Kvitelashvili at World Championships 2021.
Right, but Georgia just having one ISU judge despite having a great skating team tells me something. That's what my laugh was about.
 

Andrea82

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Feb 16, 2014
Right, but Georgia just having one ISU judge despite having a great skating team tells me something. That's what my laugh was about.

On the other hand, you have some countries like Germany with lots of qualified judges and few skaters right now.

Then there are some countries with 1-2 solid skaters but few judges (understandable given lack of depth in their countries' field) which means we literally get the same individual judge every time (Latvia, Azerbaijan).

Emerging countries can suffer from lack of knowledge at local level to properly train officials. This is somehow solved by inviting officials from bigger Federations for training sessions.
However, to be nominated for the international exam, the nominee must have served in a certain number of national competitions in the 3 years before. I wonder in a county like Georgia how many local competitions there are over the season (especially given many of their top skaters don't train in Georgia). The number of competitions to fulfil is pretty achievable (IIRC 3). However, more competition also means more experience that potential judges from other countries can amass easily.

Argentina Federation recently lamented about the maximum age for new international judges. They must be less than 50 year old when they take the first examination. Argentinian Fed claimed their judge took more times to get enough knowledge and now they are ready, they are too old to take the exam. They proposed to rule change but it will be discussed next year.
 
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skylark

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I believe Kristi Yamaguchi didn't have a USA judge on the panel when she won 1992 Olympics.

I saw an interview of her afterward where she was characteristically cheerful and calm about it, while acknowledging that it did make a skater feel a bit of extra encouragement to know there was one judge from her country.

TBH, out of all the disciplines, US men need the least help.

True.

I think the most interesting one is Ice Dance, as all the potential medalists are represented
Same with Pairs, unless a new pair comes out of the woodwork and dazzles! :ROFLMAO: (which I don't know if could even happen. :) If I understand the Nebelhorn results correctly, we'll see Opps/Krasnapolski from Israel at the Olympics, but no third Chinese team.
 

Andrea82

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Feb 16, 2014
Team Event judges

Men:
Austria judge from Pair panel
China judge from Pair panel
Hungary judge from Pair panel
Israel judge from Pair panel
Estonia judge from Men panel
France judge from Men panel
Japan judge from Men panel
Korea judge from Men panel
Latvia judge from Men panel

Women
Czech Republic judge from Pair panel
Spain judge from Pair panel
Italy judge from Pair panel
Netherlands judge from Pair panel
Austria judge from Men panel
Azerbaijan judge from Men panel
Belgium judge from Men panel
Finland judge from Men panel
USA judge from Men panel

Pair

Austria judge from Pair panel
Canada judge from Men panel
China judge from Pair panel
Czech Republic judge from Pair panel
Spain judge from Pair panel
Hungary judge from Pair panel
Israel judge from Pair panel
Italy judge from Pair panel
Netherlands judge from Pair panel

Dance

Canada
Spain
France
Germany
Italy
Japan
Lithuania
Poland
USA

 
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