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I know, but is that performance really deserved that amount of votes? Comparing to Norway and other countries? It just distracts from the regularity of the competition, which is to vote for something you like, not for something someone teaches you to like...
Most likely not, and the voting system is clearly not a good one. Should there be a maximum times you cant vote on one entry, and should it be possible to vote already from the first performance? And also the power of the jury votes...
 

Baron Vladimir

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I'm just afraid that Norway or Spain or other lower placed countries would not be that original next year in their choices when it is time to send their songs to the Eurovision, because of the "Politics" or everything else which is not connected to the music... After all, Norway's song even finished the last, I will listen in the future, the Eurovision placement is not the ultimate merit of what we like or not ;)
 

elektra blue

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I know, but is that performance really deserved that amount of votes? Comparing to Norway and other countries? It just distracts from the regularity of the competition, which is to vote for something you like, not for something someone "tell you to like" for whatever reason...
does it even matter?
I'm just afraid that Norway or Spain or other lower placed countries would not be that original next year in their choices when it is time to send their songs to the Eurovision, because of the "Politics" or everything else which is not connected to the music... After all, Norway's song even finished the last, I will listen in the future, the Eurovision placement is not the ultimate merit of what we like or not ;)
thanks the gods there's Finland:biggrin:
 

icewhite

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The jury seemed oddly coordinated this year, it´s been a long time since there were so many 12s given away, I think it´s a record of 12 in jury votes. Probably not seen since Alexander Rybaks Fairytale got so many 12s back i 2009, in average he got a wooping 9,44 (jury + public), and very surprising considering the bookmakers predicted Switzerland in 3rd place.

It shouldn´t be political but I think they were a little coordinated to prevent Israel from winning, after all it became very clear that Israel since the semi final would get a lot of public votes and nobody really wanted to see the chaos of Israel winning and hosting Eurovision next year, so I think there might have been so change in minds since the semi and the leaked public votes.

Soon the votes from semi finals will be published, we might see some changes from the semi to the finals in the jury votes and that might tell us something.

All though, Switzerland song is one of those who deserves 12 point, so i´m happy about the result all though it was a bit surprising.

Honestly my biggest surprise is how poorly Norway did and placed dead last. Particular because they have been predicted everything from 8th - 16th at the bookmakers the whole time. I don´t know if the bookmakers have ever misplaced a entry like that :scratch2: I knew the song was maybe a bit too odd for the public and it would even be love or hate, so I wasn´t expecting much from the public - but given the cultural addition, lyrics in own language, good staging, good vocals and how well the audience responded - it is a big shock to me that they didn´t get more jury votes? I thought this was the typical aspects the jury normally would applaud - and the vocalist also said they had never performed better then when the jury votes was decided. Maybe with all the rock entries this year they didn´t stand out enough - it can´t be too odd because Ireland was a hit with the jury. Also given the total points it´s actually surprising Norway qualified for the final at all? I´m curious to see how they placed in the semi final. Norway has a track record of being robbed in jurys but I thought this would perhaps do a little better. Not even Denmark and Sweden gave us jury points :coffee: Oh well, now we tried and we will probably not see a entry like that again from Norway in the near future 😂

They performed well so i´m hope they are proud of what they did, i´m not particular sad about this but just a bit surprised (but after all - Norway has most last places in Eurovision, it´s just been a while since last time :ROFLMAO:). Apparently Norway can´t do well in Sweden either, last time I think we didn´t even make the final.


The Norwegian twins has said they would like to perform for Norway in Eurovision, so maybe next year we will send our fake Swedes? 🤣

I liked Norway! The singer was strong.
But I also think the voting process played its part.
Also, it likely didn't help that the style was similar to a lot of entries this year, and most of them stood out more in some way. It wasn't really memorable.
It really reminds me of the many discussions Germany has had over the years after becoming last or second last - "okay, it wasn't good, but was it sooo bad?" Often it wasn't, but controversial, even bad songs, are often more rewarded by the system.

I think Switzerland had a song that required vocal range and variety, and Nemo could deliver that, it had a hook, a simple but memorable look of singer and staging, especially in comparison to other acts of the night it stood out. So I'm very much okay with them winning and I can understand it.
However, I would not call it the best song of the night. I would not turn it on on purpose just to listen to it.

Nobody in (social) media talks about the music now, at least not without an agenda, but I think there was actually something to talk about. In my eyes, musically, this was the best event in years. There were many singers with really strong voices, who were able to convincingly sing very difficult tunes. There were not so many boom-boom-party-fire songs, although Georgia did its best. There weren't many weepy ballads with over the top pathos and standard melody. There were quite a lot of songs that were sung in the country's language and showed more regional influences. The balance between ridicule and seriousness seemed right for me.
 

elektra blue

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The actual deja vu in my head:


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Baron Vladimir

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I liked Norway! The singer was strong.
But I also think the voting process played its part.
Yeah, i would definitely change the scoring system. Because after the jury and public votes every country is ranked from 1th to 26th both with the juries and the public, i would score the voting for example - 1st ranked place 12 points, 2nd 10 points, 3rd 8 points, 4th 7 points, 5th 6 points as it was, and then songs ranked from 6h to 10th place 5 points, from 10th to 14th place 4 points, from 14th to 18th place 3 points, from 18th to 22th place 2 points, and from 22th to 26th place 1 point. And no 0 points in the final :biggrin: I think if final scoring is based on something like that, it will better reflect general opinion about the songs. The problem is that general opinion about the songs is not in a best way reflected in the final ranking with this existing scoring system.
 
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Anna K.

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At least UK have dignity not to interfere with the public votes just because they can.
The truth is, they don't know how.
(God, Brits in Eurovison has been my favorite debate topic for years :love:)
The UK have the mightiest music industry in Europe but it is all radio based. They don't know other media. Eurovision is all about TV and the web. Like it or loathe it, the one who gets the biggest attention wins the public vote and the international media wave caused by Eurovision today is too wide to be affected by efforts of a music industry of a single country, be it "big six" or whoever. Brits would certainly help poor Olly the best way they could. However, the best they could was... to send a neat radio-friendly tune that got lost in the mix.

No disrespect here, the Brits were radio kings and queens for 50 years. (Remember the times when they used to laugh at Eurovision because their need for Eurovision as a promotional platform was exactly zero (pun intended)?) However, the technologies have changed. The role of radio has declined. It's all about the internet today. Eurovision proved to be internet-friendly and Brits are becoming serious. They understand the situation and they are learning, no doubt here. That's why they sent Sam Rider who had a viral social account. It worked; he finished second. But there are not that many Brits with viral social accounts waiting on the shelf when you need them. And even if they were, who said that a bigger media wave caused by upcoming news will not wash them away? 🤔 (Wash them away not far out of top 3 but still :slink:)
 
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icewhite

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The truth is, they don't know how.
(God, Brits in Eurovison has been my favorite debate topic for years :love:)
The UK have the mightiest music industry in Europe but it is all radio based. They don't know other media. Eurovision is all about TV and the web. Like it or loathe it, the one who gets the biggest attention wins the public vote and the international media wave caused by Eurovision today is too wide to be affected by efforts of a music industry of a single country, be it "big six" or whoever. Brits would certainly help poor Olly the best way they could. However, the best they could was... to send a neat radio-friendly tune that got lost in the mix.

No disrespect here, the Brits were radio kings and queens for 50 years. (Remember the times when they used to laugh at Eurovision because their need for Eurovision as a promotional platform was exactly zero (pun intended)?) However, the technologies have changed. The role of radio has declined. It's all about the internet today. Eurovision proved to be internet-friendly and Brits are becoming serious. They understand the situation and they are learning, no doubt here. That's why they sent Sam Rider who had a viral social account. It worked; he finished second. But there are not that many Brits with viral social accounts waiting on the shelf when you need them. And even if they were, who said that a bigger media wave caused by upcoming news will not wash them away? 🤔 (Wash them away not far out of top 3 but still :slink:)

I think that is too complex an explanation. Olly Alexander war awful, truely awful. The song itself was a nice catchy radio tune, yes, but that guy cannot hold a tune and has no vocal volume whatsoever.
(True, Lena won the competition with similar attributes, and it still boggles my mind how. But then I know many adult men found her so cute and natural and her attitude so positively lively. Guess she stood out in her own way.)

You know, Germany actually has some good bands and singers, but you'll never see them at Eurovision. I think it's similar for the UK.
 

Anna K.

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that guy cannot hold a tune
Put a finger on it!
As far as I know, holding a tune means singing the same exact note.
Here is the studio version
Here is live version from the Grand Final.
Do it! Listen to them back to back. Make a time stamp. Show me one note he hit wrong!
I'm tired from media users bashing singers simply because they don't belt. You know what? I need no obtrusive belted notes from my radio. To my ear, "that guy" was tune-perfect and genre-perfect. To my ear, he has a really nice voice.
He was clearly nervous in the Grand Final. He had a tremble in his voice and showed experience not going for vocal volume in places he had it in the studio version in fear that his voice could crack. God choice, applause to him for that! This song did not need it anyway. Although he would certainly impress the talent show audience with that (volume) if he did it. I got impression that he has it and that he hoped to do it.
All right, your turn now.
 

Baron Vladimir

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And i will finish with this - some journalists are complaining how Eurovision became too dark, negative and overtly sexual. But Eurovision is just a reflection of the things happening in the real world right now. It is not Eurovison fault for the wars and darkness in the World's current state, but yours - politicians and media all over the world who are complaining.
See you all next year ☮️ :thank:
 
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icewhite

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Put a finger on it!
As far as I know, holding a tune means singing the same exact note.
Here is the studio version
Here is live version from the Grand Final.
Do it! Listen to them back to back. Make a time stamp. Show me one note he hit wrong!
I'm tired from media users bashing singers simply because they don't belt. You know what? I need no obtrusive belted notes from my radio. To my ear, "that guy" was tune-perfect and genre-perfect. To my ear, he has a really nice voice.
He was clearly nervous in the Grand Final. He had a tremble in his voice and showed experience not going for vocal volume in places he had it in the studio version in fear that his voice could crack. God choice, applause to him for that! This song did not need it anyway. Although he would certainly impress the talent show audience with that (volume) if he did it. I got impression that he has it and that he hoped to do it.
All right, your turn now.

I don't have the musical knowledge to say what exactly went wrong where - I know the singing was terrible for a professional singer on the biggest stage. Maybe it was the show, the dancing and movements he had to do, nerves or he simply doesn't have the voice - I don't know. I can hear there's something wrong with it, my ears can feel it. And I'm very suprised you don't see it this way. Maybe my critique was too direct for you - I'm not saying he's a bad guy, maybe I shouldn't even have said he can't sing, because this is all I know from him. But in this song, in this final - his singing did not sound good at all.
 

Anna K.

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For those who appreciate true art: Olly Alexander performing with Elton John at BRIT Awards 2021.

 
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icewhite

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Did you just say that you don't have the musical knowledge to tell if a singer sticks to the melody or not? Well, it explains a lot.
Although it does not explain to me why, not having the minimum musical knowledge, you come up with judgments about musicality of others.
(Hell, I need to quit this. I am too angry.)

I don't get why this makes you so angry.
I know he does not hit the notes correctly - I can hear that. I don't have the knowledge to say where that comes from or how the notes are called etc.
He's not a kid going on stage for fun, in that case I would definitely keep my mouth shut and applaud. But he's a professional singer, and he went up there on stage for a competition, to be rated, by the public. I am a part of the public and this is my opinion. I did not say he should be punished or not sing or anything - just that I can understand that this performance didn't get any points from the public (although that might also in part come from the voting process) and that I don't think it's about marketing or strategy in this case.
Do you really insist that he hits it all correctly and his voice is strong, and I'm just not musical enough?
Okay.
No idea.
But I've now looked up comments from people who know more than me, and it seems I'm not the only one who thought his singing was not good.
 
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