Not an example of cheated takeoff. Lower GOE for poor takeoff.Okay, hear me out.
We all know and are tired of the "full blade take offs", yes. But I'm curious about how the people on this forum would call these two jumps:
Maya Kromykh 3F: https://youtu.be/IWpe9qxSHjU?t=294
Daniel Grassl 4Lz: https://youtu.be/obe_WTRy_aU?t=9557
The skid is actually pretty clear on Kromykh's - she skids when forward on that 3F. With Grassl, I remember there was a GIF last season, but I don't think I can trace it anymore, but even in this video I think it's clear that he's skidding on the picking foot on take off. I am not one to say that "full blade take offs" are "loop jumps", but what would you call them?
Or is this an example of "forward take off" on a jump that is supposed to take off backwards? It's different from when the skating foot turns forward on take off though.
Still ratified as a 3F and 4Z.
I’d actually give Grassl’s negative GOE because of the poor takeoff and poor air/landing position.
But pre-rotation is not the same as cheated takeoff, as much as some people keep pushing for skaters to be marked down for it.