Lets get +3Lo combinations hype going

[Laid-Back Enthusiast]

I keep rewatching again and again Zagitova's breathtakingly beautiful (setting aside the flutzing) 3lz+3lo compilation videos from 2018 and prior to that. I figured that it would make +3lo combinations much more popular, although I think I only saw two skaters perform it in the recent world championship: Scherbakova and Junhwan Cha (please correct me if I'm wrong). I know how difficult those combinations are, but in an era where skaters are doing everything they can to up their jumping arsenal, it's a bit surprising to me. Furthermore it's an utterly gorgeous combination.
So what do you think? Any wise words on why it is such a rarely attempted combination? Would you like to see more +3lo combinations as much as I do?

 

[Laid-Back Enthusiast]

Also, if you know of skaters of the past and present performing it, do share!

 

[ladyjane]

The more +3Lo combinations the better! I always enjoyed Tara Lipinski's 3Lo-3Lo combo and Irina Slutskaya's 3Lz-3Lo combo, but those were ages ago. .

 

[Imagine]

Too easy to under-rotate. Probably not worth it for most skaters. Mao had beautiful combos. Alina does not flutz...

 

[Jeanie19]

Evgenia's 3sal3loop is beautiful.

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

Petr Gumennik comes to mind. He is quite well known for his often beautiful Lz-Lo combos.
Here he is jumping 4Lz-3T-3Lo in practice .


Some +3Lo combos he did in competition:
3Lz-3Lo, pretty standard for Petr
3Lo-3Lo, easy
3Lz-3Lo-2Lo
3A-3Lo

 

[icetug]

Furthermore it's an utterly gorgeous combination.

Surely it is. But 3Lo as a solo jump can be a piece of art. It would be such a pity if (e.g.) Kaori would decide to jump it as a last jump in a combination...

 

[ladyjane]

Kevin van der Perren also did some good ones (and a successful 3F-3T-3Lo jump combination at worlds, I think it was in 2008).

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

I feel like some skaters could definitely increase their BV if they chose to do a 3L instead of a 3T. I know this is what Shcherbakova does to be able to repeat the 3F and 3Z.

 

[lappo]

One of the most effortless 3Lz-3Lo combo I have ever seen is Trusova's: https://youtu.be/G3ZeMXzCRfw?t=97 (probably there was even a better version than this but I can't remember from which previous competition)

Also, the most iconic 3Lt-3Lo combo is the one Alina managed to rescue in her Olympic LP after missing it at first try...I was like "you rule, girl!!"

 

[Supernovaimplosion]

I quite like Zhenya's 3S-3Lo. Its satisfying to watch a jumping pass with no picking at all.

 

[macy]

Trusova's loop combos are some of the best out there when she hits them. great rhythm.

 

[lagif]

Too easy to under-rotate. Probably not worth it for most skaters. Mao had beautiful combos. Alina does not flutz...

She does a lot, sorry... Though, if you do not take into account the full-blade takeoff and wrong edge, her jumps looked really powerful and the Loop combos looked beautiful in the OG routines

 

[silveruskate]

Yuma Kagiyama also does it in his FS!

 

[lagif]

I probably like Evgenia's 3S+3Lo combo and Jun's combo the most (he fully rotated it this time on WC 2021).

 

[Arbitrary]

Scherbakova and Trusova did 4x-3T-3Lo in practice two years ago.
But this combo is useless till one may master +3F combo to fight the jump repeats.

 

[chasingneverland]

Scherbakova and Trusova did 4x-3T-3Lo in practice two years ago.
But this combo is useless till one may master +3F combo to fight the jump repeats.

Huh?

 

[Arbitrary]

Huh?

There're three combos in any FP. Spending two rear jumps - loop and toe loop in one - limits the ability to repeat only one of those.
The skater needs to add another rear jump, like Flip (see Dmitriev's combo) or do a rear quad or do a double. A rear quad is a big challenge, for girls anyway, and a double is a waste. So most do 4-1-3 or 3-3-2 or 3-2-2 long combos. Doing 4-3-3 is not on the table.

 

[1111bm]

Hate them, so nope

 

[gliese]

3X-3Lo is fun (and hard) to do, but can hurt really bad if you practice them too much if you have any existing hip injuries (and most skaters do).

How would +3F work though? Unless you mean from a switch foot loop (or euler as the ISU dumbly named it).