Notes About Personal Best Scores

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The Personal Best and Season Best scores that the ISU uses for a skater only take into consideration certain competitions. For example, they do not take into consideration domestic competitions, such as Sectional, Regional or National Championships.

However, confusion arises when you come to the Major International Championships and the Senior B’s.

For the Majors, the ISU definitely takes into consideration the events they run themselves, and the Olympics. But, there does not seem to be any consistency over how they approach other events that are considered to be Majors.

And as for the Senior B’s, it is particularly confusing as an event may be taken into consideration one year, but not the next. Much of this is due to the changing make-up of the Challenger Series.

So, to make things simpler, some of the Fan Fests include a table that takes into consideration all the events that the skater has taken part in. These scores are referred to as “Absolute Personal Best” and “Absolute Season’s Best” so as to distinguish them from the scores recorded by the ISU.

Absolute Personal Best ScoreAbsolute Season’s Best Score

The Absolute designations in these tables are based purely on the contents of the Competitive History table in the same post. If anybody knows of any scores that are not in the table, please let us know, and we will be only too happy to add them in.

As always when comparing scores, it should be kept in mind that you are not comparing like for like. There is a subjective aspect to judging, and every competition has different judges.

For the purposes of these tables, the competitions are defined as follows:

Major ChampionshipsOlympics; Senior World Championships; Junior World Championships; European Championships; Four Continents Championships; Universiade; Youth Olympic Games; International Children’s Games; Asian Games; European Youth Olympic Festival; World Team Trophy; Team Challenge Cup.
Grands PrixSenior Grand Prix Final; Junior Grand Prix Final; Senior Grand Prix competitions; Junior Grand Prix competitions.
Other International CompetitionsChallenger Series competitions; other Senior B competitions.
National CompetitionsNational Championships; Regional / Sectional Championships; other domestic competitions.

An additional consideration occurs because of changes in rules and scoring from year to year. The expansion of GOE from +/- 3 to +/- 5 in Season 2018-2019 renders comparisons with scores in earlier seadons extremely dubious.
 
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Now that all the PBs are historical, any link of the old ones takes us to the new ones rather than any archived version. Should we just take them out for now? since I have yet to find an archived version
 

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Now that all the PBs are historical, any link of the old ones takes us to the new ones rather than any archived version. Should we just take them out for now? since I have yet to find an archived version

Oh. I thought it was just a glitch in the ISU website that would be rectified soon.

Right, I just had a look, and the Wayback Machine has archived versions from 12[SUP]th[/SUP] August for all the pages.


I'm not sure what would be the best way of working this. We would really need to have both sets of PB's included, but it could get complicated if it is not displayed in a way that makes crystal clear what exactly each score is.

Let me sleep on it...

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OK, so having slept on it, these are my thoughts on what would be a good way of avoiding confusion.

For those of you (like me) that are using Doris’ ISU PB table, we could have one table but with two distinctive sections.

Here is how it would look for the most recent Singles skater Fan Fest that I worked on:

Personal Best Scores

ISU Personal Best Scores for Alena Kostornaia:
http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs_pb_00102764.htm



With Ice Dance, this season also sees the name of the Short Programme change to “Rhythm Dance”. But, since it is just a name change rather than a new set of technical rules, we can get away with keeping the same layout.

Here is how it would look for the Ice Dance Fan Fest that I am currently touching up:

Personal Best Scores

ISU Personal Best Scores for Sara Hurtado / Kirill Khaliavin:
http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs_pb_00102241.htm


Of course, you would need to add extra columns for those Ice Dancers that were competing when we had separate segments for Compulsory Dance and Original Dance.

Here is how it would look for the only Ice Dance Fan Fest that I have worked on where the skaters have been together for this long:

Personal Best Scores

ISU Personal Best Scores for Ekaterina Bobrova / Dmitri Soloviev:
http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs_pb_00008942.htm

Ice DanceCompulsory DanceOriginal DanceShort / Rhythm DanceFree DanceTotal
+5 / -5 Grade Of Execution System – 2 Segments
ISU Personal Best ScoreEkaterina and Dmitri’s best score is XX.XX at 2018 XXXX.
Link places it on ISU best ever list.
Ekaterina and Dmitri’s best score is XXX.XX at 2018 XXXX.
Link places it on ISU best ever list.
Ekaterina and Dmitri’s best score is XXX.XX at 2018 XXXX.
Link places it on ISU best ever list.
2018–19 ISU Season’s Best Score
+3 / -3 Grade Of Execution System – 2 Segments
ISU Personal Best Score9[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
76.33 at 2017 Cup Of Russia
9[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
112.70 at 2018 European Championships
9[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
187.13 at 2018 European Championships
2017–18 ISU Season’s Best Score7[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
76.33 at 2017 Cup Of Russia
8[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
112.70 at 2018 European Championships
8[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
187.13 at 2018 European Championships
2016–17 ISU Season’s Best Score7[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
76.18 at 2017 European Championships
6[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
111.76 at 2017 Cup Of Russia
6[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
186.68 at 2017 Cup Of Russia
2015–16 ISU Season’s Best Score9[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
68.71 at 2016 European Championships
6[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
107.79 at 2016 European Championships
8[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
176.50 at 2016 European Championships
2014–15 ISU Season’s Best ScoreN/AN/AN/A
2013–14 ISU Season’s Best Score6[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
69.97 at 2014 Olympic Games
7[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
102.95 at 2014 Olympic Games
7[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
172.92 at 2014 Olympic Games
2012–13 ISU Season’s Best Score3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Place
70.05 at 2013 ISU World Championships
6[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
99.83 at 2013 European Championships
4[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
169.25 at 2013 European Championships
2011–12 ISU Season’s Best Score5[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
65.73 at 2011 Cup Of China
6[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
97.79 at 2011 Cup Of China
5[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
163.52 at 2011 Cup Of China
2010–11 ISU Season’s Best Score5[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
161.14 at 2011 European Championships
+3 / -3 Grade Of Execution System – 3 Segments
ISU Personal Best Score29[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
35.52 at 2007 ISU Junior World Championships
34[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
55.04 at 2010 ISU World Championships
26[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
89.76 at 2010 ISU World Championships
2009–10 ISU Season’s Best Score13[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
177.23 at 2010 World Championships
2008–09 ISU Season’s Best Score22[SUP]nd[/SUP] Place
159.96 at 2009 NHK Trophy


Note: Unfortunately the Personal Best page for the Total Scores was not archived between 12[SUP]th[/SUP] November 2009 and 1[SUP]st[/SUP] October 2011, so we do not have the final standings under the 3 Segment System. :bang:


The problem with this is that we end up with a lot of columns that are largely empty. So, an alternative option is to have separate tables with headings indicating which system each table is for.

Here is how this would work for Bobrova / Soloviev:

Personal Best Scores

ISU Personal Best Scores for Ekaterina Bobrova / Dmitri Soloviev:
http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs_pb_00008942.htm

+5 / -5 Grade Of Execution System – 2 Segments


+3 / -3 Grade Of Execution System – 2 Segments

Ice DanceShort DanceFree DanceTotal
ISU Personal Best Score9[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
76.33 at 2017 Cup Of Russia
9[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
112.70 at 2018 European Championships
9[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
187.13 at 2018 European Championships
2017–18 ISU Season’s Best Score7[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
76.33 at 2017 Cup Of Russia
8[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
112.70 at 2018 European Championships
8[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
187.13 at 2018 European Championships
2016–17 ISU Season’s Best Score7[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
76.18 at 2017 European Championships
6[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
111.76 at 2017 Cup Of Russia
6[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
186.68 at 2017 Cup Of Russia
2015–16 ISU Season’s Best Score9[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
68.71 at 2016 European Championships
6[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
107.79 at 2016 European Championships
8[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
176.50 at 2016 European Championships
2014–15 ISU Season’s Best ScoreN/AN/AN/A
2013–14 ISU Season’s Best Score6[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
69.97 at 2014 Olympic Games
7[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
102.95 at 2014 Olympic Games
7[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
172.92 at 2014 Olympic Games
2012–13 ISU Season’s Best Score3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Place
70.05 at 2013 ISU World Championships
6[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
99.83 at 2013 European Championships
4[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
169.25 at 2013 European Championships
2011–12 ISU Season’s Best Score5[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
65.73 at 2011 Cup Of China
6[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
97.79 at 2011 Cup Of China
5[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
163.52 at 2011 Cup Of China
2010–11 ISU Season’s Best Score5[SUP]th[/SUP] Place
161.14 at 2011 European Championships

+3 / -3 Grade Of Execution System – 3 Segments



Note: Unfortunately the Personal Best page for the Total Scores was not archived between 12[SUP]th[/SUP] November 2009 and 1[SUP]st[/SUP] October 2011, so we do not have the final standings under the 3 Segment System. :bang:


You can see how much tidier it looks without all the blank cells.



As for the PB table that I use which separates the competitions out into what type of competition they are, there are two options:

  1. Just continue on replacing the scores like we have been.

  2. Have separate tables with headings indicating which system each table is for.

Using Kostornaia again, here is how the second option would look:

+5 / -5 Grade Of Execution System

LadiesShort ProgrammeFree SkateTotal
*DateCompetitionScoreDateCompetitionScoreDateCompetitionScore
Major Championships
Grands Prix31 Aug. 2018ISU Junior Grand Prix Cup Of AustriaXX.XX01 Sep. 2018ISU Junior Grand Prix Cup Of AustriaXXX.XX29 Aug. – 01 Sep. 2017ISU Junior Grand Prix Cup Of AustriaXXX.XX
Other International Competitions
National Competitions
Absolute PB31 Aug. 2018ISU Junior Grand Prix Cup Of AustriaXX.XX01 Sep. 2018ISU Junior Grand Prix Cup Of AustriaXXX.XX29 Aug. – 01 Sep. 2017ISU Junior Grand Prix Cup Of AustriaXXX.XX

+3 / -3 Grade Of Execution System

LadiesElementsShort ProgrammeFree SkateTotal
*DateCompetitionScoreDateCompetitionScoreDateCompetitionScoreDateCompetitionScore
Major Championships09 Mar. 2018ISU Junior World Championships71.6310 Mar. 2018ISU Junior World Championships135.7605–11 Mar. 2018ISU Junior World Championships207.39
Grands Prix07 Dec. 2017ISU Junior Grand Prix Final71.6509 Dec. 2017ISU Junior Grand Prix Final132.9307–10 Dec. 2017ISU Junior Grand Prix Final204.58
Other International Competitions
National Competitions14 Jan. 2015Moscow Championships37.7818 Apr. 2018Competitions For Prizes Of The President Of The FFKK Of Moscow75.2123 Dec. 2017Russian Championships142.9822 Feb. 2018Russian Cup Final216.70
Absolute PB14 Jan. 2015Moscow Championships37.7818 Apr. 2018Competitions For Prizes Of The President Of The FFKK Of Moscow75.2123 Dec. 2017Russian Championships142.9822 Feb. 2018Russian Cup Final216.70

* = For more information about Personal Best scores, and to find out how the competitions were defined for the purposes of the above table, please see the following post:

https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/s...-Best-Scores&p=2144915&viewfull=1#post2144915


The benefit of this option is that it means that, for the +5 / -5 GOE System table, we could get rid of the columns for the Elements segment that is contested at Novice level in some Russian competitions.

The drawback, though, is that if the PB table was separated into 2 tables, then the main results table in the Competitive History section would really need to be separated into 2 tables as well. And having so many tables could make the Fan Fest hard to follow.

However, for the likes of Bobrova / Soloviev who have competed under both 2 and 3 Segment systems in Ice Dance, having separate tables the whole way through could make things a lot tidier, as each table could only have the columns that are actually needed.

It would take up too much space showing how this would work on their results table. But, you can imagine what it would be like from looking at their separate ISU PB tables above.



So, balancing everything up, I think having separate tables for each system in all sections of the Fan Fest is the best option.

Those are my thoughts on how we could tackle this. What do other people think?

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