Season 2023–24 in quads | Golden Skate

Season 2023–24 in quads

eppen

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I think that after a month in the new season, results for the previous one might not appear anymore and the quad statistics for the 2023-24 season can perhaps be published. (2022-23 in the archived threads.)

Note that the data for this post was collected from several sources including Skating Scores, Rink Results, etc. (< This is what GS thinks I do. What I actually do is check the official results pages for events often through the feds or for Russia also allskate.info. SS and RR provide info mostly for eg Korea, China and some minor European countries. Those big databases do not collect enough national events data to be really useful at the moment.)

At the moment my list of quads since 1983 covers almost 17400 quad attempts and my best estimate is that some 800 or so more jumps could have been attempted esp. in the late 1990s and 2000s (Russia and China domestic events are poorly documented for the most part).

Total 2431 attempts in national and international competitions (2022–23: 2018). 766 in international and 1665 in national competitions. The number of domestic attempts keeps growing – 2022–23 was the first season when there were more domestic vs. international attempts. The main reason for this is of course the Russian ban from international competition, but there are also more domestic attempts in other countries.

This is also the all-time high!

(If you have followed my previous statistics posts and wonder about the changing annual totals, then wonder no more: I have just done more research and gone through some national results databases, most notably the Japanse local competitions. The Japanese Fed has my particular love and admiration for publicizing ALL results in the IJS system (and then some): https://www.jsfresults.com/PastResults/PastDefaults/fs/index.htm)

Total 334 attempts by women (2022–23: 300).

Total 225 skaters tried at least one quad last season (2022–23: 194).

Total 70 skaters attempted a quad for the first time (2022–23: 63).
A date of birth could be found for 53 skaters and their ages at the first time ranged from 10 to 24 years, average age for all 15,1 years (men 16,8 and women 12,8 years). The youngest were three Russian girls (Askarova, Sopova, Zaikina) and the oldest Tomas Llorenc Guarino Sabate (ESP).

(2022–23: date of birth for 51 skaters and age range was 9 to 23 years. The average age at first attempt for all was 14,8 years, for men 16,6 years and for women 12,0.)

Total 50 women attempted quads (2022–23: 38). Of these 24 were newbies (2022–23: 22).

The most attempts by a male skater: 61 by Kao Miura (JPN) (2022–23: Ilia Malinin (USA) 54).
(Adam Siao Him Fa (FRA) was the first skater ever to get over 60 attempts in one season, but then Miura competed in Japan one more time in April and went ahead by one jump.)

The most attempts by a female skater: 34 by Elena Kostyleva (RUS) (2022–23: Margarita Bazyluyk (RUS) 34).

Breakdown by age group/national/international competition:
Total 168 attempts at novice level competitions (all in Russia, I counted also the Elements section jumps).
Total 523 attempts at junior competitions (49 international and 474 national of which 402 in Russia).
Total 1740 attempts at senior competitions (1023 national – 651 in Russia; 717 international).

(Here it is good to remember that at domestic competitions, talented young skaters often get permissions to participate in the competitions to older age groups, so the counts do not reflect perfectly the ages of the skaters.)

Breakdown of women’s attempts by age group and country:
Novice 105 (all in Russia by 19 skaters).
Junior 180 (162 in Russia by 28 skaters, 18 elsewhere by 3 skaters (BLR, JPN, USA).
Senior 49 (26 in Russia by 7 skaters, 23 elsewhere by 5 skaters (BLR, JPN, USA).

(I also went through all the women’s attempts ever according to their ages. There were 1106 attempts by skaters whose year of birth was known and of these 809 (73%) were by skaters at 14 years of age or below, that is junior or novice. The below 17-year old juniors account for further 71 attempts. Senior women have attempted 225 (20%) quads, 87 of them by 15-year olds before the age limit was changed or by senior eligible skaters younger than 17.)

By jump type:
4T 1262
4S 783
4Lo 76
4F 67
4Lz 238
4A 5

90 skaters tried 2 or more different quads: 65 attempted 2 types, 20 3 types, 4 4 types and Ilia Malinin (USA) went for 5. (Still feeling sorry for the 4F which Ilia did not invite to the party.)

Quad layouts SP+FS attempted:
0+1 405, 0+2 135, 0+3 38, 0+4 4, 0+5 1 (novice, junior, and women mostly, the 0+5 was by Ilia Malinin (USA) at Japan Open which only has free skate).
1+1 164, 1+2 102, 1+3 17, 1+4 2 (senior men).
2+1 10, 2+2 44, 2+3 64, 2+4 39, 2+5 1, 2+6 2 (senior men) (2+5 by Adam Siao Him Fa (FRA) and 2+6s by Ilia Malinin (USA)).

Ilia Malinin (USA) became the first skater to finish a 2+6 quad layout with all postive GOEs at the Worlds.

Then career totals landmarks achieved this season:
Shoma Uno (JPN) finished his career with a staggering 346 quad attempts (292 internationals and 53 domestic attempts) – no one else comes near.
Boyang Jin (CHN) became the second skater to get over 250 quad attempts and ended the season with 267 attempts.
Morisi Kvitelashvili (GEO) competed at Japan Open in the fall and managed to get over 200 international attempts after retiring from competition (he was the 3rd to get the 200).
Adam Siao Him Fa (FRA) got over 150 international attempts (he was the 8th).
Kazuki Tomono (JPN), Ilia Malinin (USA) and Junhwan Cha (KOR) got together 100 international attempts (skaters 21 to 23 to do this).

I have so far used the number of international attempts as a benchmark since there are skaters in the 1990s and 2000s for whom there is no info on domestic attempts and in that way the international attempts are a more reliable tool to evaluate quantity. But now that the Russian ban has spanned two seasons, I am beginning to wonder if that should change. I am doing the whole career totals for women anyway already because most women’s quads get attempted at domestic events.

However, there are only 3 Russian men who have passed the 100 domestic attempts ever (all these during the ban): Makar Ignatov (123), Roman Savosin (108) and Andrei Mozalev (107). The Russian man with most attempts overall is Dmitri Aliev with 178 quads (91 international and 87 domestic). Ignatov is next with 165 and then Alexander Samarin with 162 (he got to 94 international). Some older skaters have gotten over 100 internationally: Plushenko, Menshov, Voronov, Kovtun and Kolyada. Samarin and Aliev might have been next in line to enter that list.

The quad revolution could be considered very close to complete for men - quads are attempted at all levels and in international and national competitions. I routinely have to check results down to novice competitions at least in Russia and Japan. There are very few skaters who can do well internationally without at least one quad.

What happens with women remains to be seen. Senior women are still mostly not attempting quads in competition - only about 1-2% of all women who have attempted quads have done so in their senior years (the international age limits applied here). Last season was pretty bad for senior women even in Russia. Quads are at the moment something that Russian pre-teen and early teen girls do in abundance, but others apparently cannot maintain them. It will be interesting to see what happens with eg Margarita Bazylyuk and Elena Kostyleva in the next couple of years...

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eppen

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Oh, and it occurred to me that I should maybe add some totals of quadsters. A few years ago I started a list of skaters who have attempted at least one quad in their careers. I think at that time there were maybe 300 skaters or so, including ones who had only trained.

At the end of last season, the number of those who had attempted at least one quad in competition went over 600... Total is now 604, with 512 men and 92 women. Slightly less than half, 299, have retired from competition and consequently there are 305 active skaters (80 women and 225 men). Then there are 102 skaters who have been training - this figure is probably much larger, but not everyone has chosen to publicize their quad dreams.

228 of those who have attempted a quad in competition have started during the past 4 seasons starting from July 2020. The previous 5 season period from July 2015 to June 2020 saw 160 newbies. As we still have the 2024-25 season ahead of us, I'd say we will get close to 300 quadsters from July 2020 to June 2025.

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I think that after a month in the new season, results for the previous one might not appear anymore and the quad statistics for the 2023-24 season can perhaps be published. (2022-23 in the archived threads.)

Total 2431 attempts in national and international competitions (2022–23: 2018). 766 in international and 1665 in national competitions. The number of domestic attempts keeps growing – 2022–23 was the first season when there were more domestic vs. international attempts. The main reason for this is of course the Russian ban from international competition, but there are also more domestic attempts in other countries.

This is also the all-time high!

(If you have followed my previous statistics posts and wonder about the changing annual totals, then wonder no more: I have just done more research and gone through some national results databases, most notably the Japanse local competitions. The Japanese Fed has my particular love and admiration for publicizing ALL results in the IJS system (and then some): https://www.jsfresults.com/PastResults/PastDefaults/fs/index.htm)

Total 334 attempts by women (2022–23: 300).

Total 225 skaters tried at least one quad last season (2022–23: 194).

Total 70 skaters attempted a quad for the first time (2022–23: 63).
A date of birth could be found for 53 skaters and their ages at the first time ranged from 10 to 24 years, average age for all 15,1 years (men 16,8 and women 12,8 years). The youngest were three Russian girls (Askarova, Sopova, Zaikina) and the oldest Tomas Llorenc Guarino Sabate (ESP).

(2022–23: date of birth for 51 skaters and age range was 9 to 23 years. The average age at first attempt for all was 14,8 years, for men 16,6 years and for women 12,0.)

Total 50 women attempted quads (2022–23: 38). Of these 24 were newbies (2022–23: 22).

The most attempts by a male skater: 61 by Kao Miura (JPN) (2022–23: Ilia Malinin (USA) 54).
(Adam Siao Him Fa (FRA) was the first skater ever to get over 60 attempts in one season, but then Miura competed in Japan one more time in April and went ahead by one jump.)

The most attempts by a female skater: 34 by Elena Kostyleva (RUS) (2022–23: Margarita Bazyluyk (RUS) 34).

Breakdown by age group/national/international competition:
Total 168 attempts at novice level competitions (all in Russia, I counted also the Elements section jumps).
Total 523 attempts at junior competitions (49 international and 474 national of which 402 in Russia).
Total 1740 attempts at senior competitions (1023 national – 651 in Russia; 717 international).

(Here it is good to remember that at domestic competitions, talented young skaters often get permissions to participate in the competitions to older age groups, so the counts do not reflect perfectly the ages of the skaters.)

Breakdown of women’s attempts by age group and country:
Novice 105 (all in Russia by 19 skaters).
Junior 180 (162 in Russia by 28 skaters, 18 elsewhere by 3 skaters (BLR, JPN, USA).
Senior 49 (26 in Russia by 7 skaters, 23 elsewhere by 5 skaters (BLR, JPN, USA).

(I also went through all the women’s attempts ever according to their ages. There were 1106 attempts by skaters whose year of birth was known and of these 809 (73%) were by skaters at 14 years of age or below, that is junior or novice. The below 17-year old juniors account for further 71 attempts. Senior women have attempted 225 (20%) quads, 87 of them by 15-year olds before the age limit was changed or by senior eligible skaters younger than 17.)

By jump type:
4T 1262
4S 783
4Lo 76
4F 67
4Lz 238
4A 5

90 skaters tried 2 or more different quads: 65 attempted 2 types, 20 3 types, 4 4 types and Ilia Malinin (USA) went for 5. (Still feeling sorry for the 4F which Ilia did not invite to the party.)

Quad layouts SP+FS attempted:
0+1 405, 0+2 135, 0+3 38, 0+4 4, 0+5 1 (novice, junior, and women mostly, the 0+5 was by Ilia Malinin (USA) at Japan Open which only has free skate).
1+1 164, 1+2 102, 1+3 17, 1+4 2 (senior men).
2+1 10, 2+2 44, 2+3 64, 2+4 39, 2+5 1, 2+6 2 (senior men) (2+5 by Adam Siao Him Fa (FRA) and 2+6s by Ilia Malinin (USA)).

Ilia Malinin (USA) became the first skater to finish a 2+6 quad layout with all postive GOEs at the Worlds.

Then career totals landmarks achieved this season:
Shoma Uno (JPN) finished his career with a staggering 346 quad attempts (292 internationals and 53 domestic attempts) – no one else comes near.
Boyang Jin (CHN) became the second skater to get over 250 quad attempts and ended the season with 267 attempts.
Morisi Kvitelashvili (GEO) competed at Japan Open in the fall and managed to get over 200 international attempts after retiring from competition (he was the 3rd to get the 200).
Adam Siao Him Fa (FRA) got over 150 international attempts (he was the 8th).
Kazuki Tomono (JPN), Ilia Malinin (USA) and Junhwan Cha (KOR) got together 100 international attempts (skaters 21 to 23 to do this).

I have so far used the number of international attempts as a benchmark since there are skaters in the 1990s and 2000s for whom there is no info on domestic attempts and in that way the international attempts are a more reliable tool to evaluate quantity. But now that the Russian ban has spanned two seasons, I am beginning to wonder if that should change. I am doing the whole career totals for women anyway already because most women’s quads get attempted at domestic events.

However, there are only 3 Russian men who have passed the 100 domestic attempts ever (all these during the ban): Makar Ignatov (123), Roman Savosin (108) and Andrei Mozalev (107). The Russian man with most attempts overall is Dmitri Aliev with 178 quads (91 international and 87 domestic). Ignatov is next with 165 and then Alexander Samarin with 162 (he got to 94 international). Some older skaters have gotten over 100 internationally: Plushenko, Menshov, Voronov, Kovtun and Kolyada. Samarin and Aliev might have been next in line to enter that list.

The quad revolution could be considered very close to complete for men - quads are attempted at all levels and in international and national competitions. I routinely have to check results down to novice competitions at least in Russia and Japan. There are very few skaters who can do well internationally without at least one quad.

What happens with women remains to be seen. Senior women are still mostly not attempting quads in competition - only about 1-2% of all women who have attempted quads have done so in their senior years (the international age limits applied here). Last season was pretty bad for senior women even in Russia. Quads are at the moment something that Russian pre-teen and early teen girls do in abundance, but others apparently cannot maintain them. It will be interesting to see what happens with eg Margarita Bazylyuk and Elena Kostyleva in the next couple of years...

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This season was odd for women in Russia on senior level because the top 3 senior quadsters didn't participate, plus age change. I doubt that senior women in Russia will stop doing quads. Before Bazylyuk and Kostyleva, Petrosyan and Akatyeva will be in senior or close to senior age next season to see how long quads are preserved past 17 in full competitive program.

And, well, Samarin is done, so his career total will be what it is this season.
 

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Petrosyan and Akatyeva will be in senior or close to senior age next season to see how long quads are preserved past 17 in full competitive program.
Adeliia is already in Seniors and doing quads - But, unlike Elena and Margarita, she didn't start attempting quads until she was 14, so she has a few years less under her belt at this age than Elena and Margarita will have at the same age.

As for if or to which degree Sofia will be able to restore her quads, we'll just have to wait and see. She has her triples and triple-triples back but the rotation isn't always there yet.
 

eppen

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I am sure someone will be able to continue until the actual senior age, but the numbers are pretty bad for senior women. Last season in Russia the only one to get good jumps and qualify for an international senior event was Petrosyan. The year before there were also Samodelkina, Trusova and Zinina. Everyone else is still novice or junior according to the international age limits.

Bazyluyk, Prineva and Tsipukhina (actually already junior 2023-24) turn junior this season, Kostyleva and Streltsova are still novice. They all have a very long way ahead of them before they qualify for senior officially.

Of the actual seniors, Muravyova (or was it Zhilina? suddenly uncertain) has been showing 4Ss in practices this summer, but she has not attempted a quad in competition since her junior days (2021-22). Samodelkina (though for KAZ) and Trusova have also shown pretty good attempts at quads. But let's see...

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lariko

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I am sure someone will be able to continue until the actual senior age, but the numbers are pretty bad for senior women. Last season in Russia the only one to get good jumps and qualify for an international senior event was Petrosyan. The year before there were also Samodelkina, Trusova and Zinina. Everyone else is still novice or junior according to the international age limits.

Bazyluyk, Prineva and Tsipukhina (actually already junior 2023-24) turn junior this season, Kostyleva and Streltsova are still novice. They all have a very long way ahead of them before they qualify for senior officially.

Of the actual seniors, Muravyova (or was it Zhilina? suddenly uncertain) has been showing 4Ss in practices this summer, but she has not attempted a quad in competition since her junior days (2021-22). Samodelkina (though for KAZ) and Trusova have also shown pretty good attempts at quads. But let's see...

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There is also Gorbacheva with her 4S. Morozova might present 4Lo. Trusova is back at it, and you never know with her spank. 😀 I thought Murav'yeva was trying to overcome an injury. There is Khromykh somewhere unless she retired. All and all, it is a function of injuries, but Russian women jumped quads in training since the days Butzaeva was in training at the very least. I mean, they might not be taking as many risks atm as they would if they were contending for international spots, not just the National title.

Let's wait and see, the season is only a few days away for the Russians
 
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eppen

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Alas, Alina was born in July 2007, so she will still be a junior this year. Morozova (b. 2009) is also junior and has not attempted a quad since her novice years (2021-22). Khromyhk also tried a quad in comp for the previous time in 2021-22, but she is possible, as is Trusova, but who knows what she will do.

The Russian women who have tried quads in competition in their senior years (whether 15 or 17 as age limit) can be divided into three groups based on success:

Good ones: Trusova (?), Shcherbakova (retired), Valieva (only 2021 fall though), Petrosyan
Middle ground: Khromykh (2021-22), Samodelkina (KAZ), Zinina (2022-23)
Dabbled: Tuktamysheva, Sinitsyna

Everyone else is still junior or novice even if they might be competing in seniors in Russia. There are a lot of promising girls among them, but international senior age is a long time away for most of them...

Of the juniors, Gorbacheva tried some 4S last season, but did not get any of them to positive GOE. Akatyeva was away injured (I think) and her best year so far is 2021-22, Zhilina also injured with 2022-23 as her best year so far. Dvoeglazova and Tsipukhina turned 15 and both had a good quad season. Then there were also Gordeeva, Mazur, Korobitsina, Ponteleenko and Sadkova, but with not that great results.

The best ones were novice: Bazyluyk, Kostyleva, Streltsova, Prineva, Kalugina. Of the older girls, only Tsipukhina gets to the same success rates. And Petrosyan of the seniors.

2024-25 is the 7th season since Trusova came out with blazing guns. Almost 90 women have tried quads in competition since and only Trusova and Shcherbakova have so far been able to continue to seniors with good results - both would have made it even with the current age limits. Petrosyan has still to show her abilities, but her results lag behind the top two a little bit (her best GOE+% is just above 50 whereas the other two were in the 60s and 70s). So, thinking of the numbers, 1-2 of the current novice girls might make it to their seniors. Sigh... (I have waited for quads in women since the 1990s.)

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Let's not forget Rion Sumiyoshi shall we :)
The first Japanese woman to land a quad toe in international competition (GP France 2023). And I believe she's also the oldest woman so far to land a quad in a competition at 20 years old 💪
 

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Alas, Alina was born in July 2007, so she will still be a junior this year. Morozova (b. 2009) is also junior and has not attempted a quad since her novice years (2021-22). Khromyhk also tried a quad in comp for the previous time in 2021-22, but she is possible, as is Trusova, but who knows what she will do.

The Russian women who have tried quads in competition in their senior years (whether 15 or 17 as age limit) can be divided into three groups based on success:

Good ones: Trusova (?), Shcherbakova (retired), Valieva (only 2021 fall though), Petrosyan
Middle ground: Khromykh (2021-22), Samodelkina (KAZ), Zinina (2022-23)
Dabbled: Tuktamysheva, Sinitsyna

Everyone else is still junior or novice even if they might be competing in seniors in Russia. There are a lot of promising girls among them, but international senior age is a long time away for most of them...

Of the juniors, Gorbacheva tried some 4S last season, but did not get any of them to positive GOE. Akatyeva was away injured (I think) and her best year so far is 2021-22, Zhilina also injured with 2022-23 as her best year so far. Dvoeglazova and Tsipukhina turned 15 and both had a good quad season. Then there were also Gordeeva, Mazur, Korobitsina, Ponteleenko and Sadkova, but with not that great results.

The best ones were novice: Bazyluyk, Kostyleva, Streltsova, Prineva, Kalugina. Of the older girls, only Tsipukhina gets to the same success rates. And Petrosyan of the seniors.

2024-25 is the 7th season since Trusova came out with blazing guns. Almost 90 women have tried quads in competition since and only Trusova and Shcherbakova have so far been able to continue to seniors with good results - both would have made it even with the current age limits. Petrosyan has still to show her abilities, but her results lag behind the top two a little bit (her best GOE+% is just above 50 whereas the other two were in the 60s and 70s). So, thinking of the numbers, 1-2 of the current novice girls might make it to their seniors. Sigh... (I have waited for quads in women since the 1990s.)

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Let's wait and see. And, yes, with the different age rules internationally and nationally it's hard to say with the women who don't compete internationally which circuit they belong to. Whatever the case, there is a lot of them training with it, so we will be seeing it in competitions. Basylyuk was a machine last year in the televised competitions. I think the ability to return to sport that exists right now will influence how may Russian women will attempt a come back after exercising caution (appropriately) during the massive physiological and psychological changes of the mid-to-late teens. How many of them will close the growth gap and retrain the technique the way men do is still an open question. But one thing is very clear. Novice and junior women can jump quads during competitive programs quite successfully.

Also, ha-hah, anyone who could accurately predict what Trusova does next, they might want to participate in the forum prediction game.
 
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Let's not forget Rion Sumiyoshi shall we :)
The first Japanese woman to land a quad toe in international competition (GP France 2023). And I believe she's also the oldest woman so far to land a quad in a competition at 20 years old 💪
She was accounted for in the stats. Hope she produces the quad this season as well.
 

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So far two womwn have had some kind of comeback after a gap in their quadster careers - Gorbacheva stopped attempting them in her last novice season (2020-21) and has done them ok after that (well, not last season). Glagolevskaya is another one with similar timing, but less success - she has yet to produce a GOE+ quad.

The discussion was about Russian women, I thought, so did not include any others.

But Rion Sumiyoshi's quad career can be at best described as a testament to stubborness since she has attempted 31 times (including the one this season) and 15 were deemed <<, 8 < and 6 q. One good jump in 31.

(I happened to be there in France when she got the one deemed clean and I still cannot understand how the TP got it fully rotated. I was sitting almost behind them and I thought the landing looked iffy real-time (and I am no good at spotting underrotations live), paid attention to the slo-mo and thought "ok try, but no", then looked down to see what the judges screens showed and to my infitine surprise there was no flag on it. Considering that much better looking attempts have gotten q/</<<, I am not quite sure what happened there.)

Russians account for 991 attempts of the 1138 quad attempts for women since 1990, non-Russians for 147.

The non-Russian seniors who have tried are (good means fully rotated with GOE 0 or above)
Tursunbayeva 3 attempts, 1 good
Kihira 2 attempts, 1 good

Then the not successful ones:
Bonaly 13 attempts
Ando 4 attempts (her only good one was as jr, total 11)
Yamashita 3 attempts
Safonova (BLR) 3 attempts (this could be higher as she competed in Russia last season, but her results were not made public)
Sakamoto 2 attempts
Chiba 1 attempt
Cohen 1 attempt

Juniors or novice
Kalin has 37 now with 12 good ones (32%), jr still for this season
Shimada has 30 attempts with 7 good ones (23%), jr still for this season
Ezhova (BLR) tried 3 last season (what I said of Safonova above could also hold true for her), no good ones
Liu attempted 6 times, but was jr, 2 good ones
Hicks tried once as jr, no success
Young You was the first novice girl ever to try one, but did not go for it again

At least 7 non-Russian girls have been seen or reported trating quads in 2024, so some of those could try them in competition at some point.

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We hear so little about her because she unfortunately can't land her triples consistently. Great that she's doing quads, but they really need to work on the other elements too.
yeah, but that's not really different from other American junior women save for Isabeau when she was jr, and they are not doing quads in addition to unstable triples.
 
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