In Russia no, but outside of Russia with stricter technical calling yes. Anna won't get those GOE's internationally. ( And she would get a few URs) Valieva will get higher GOEs, but Trusova can beat her if she is clean. ( Tough ask)
Sasha didn't get injured at the GP because of all those quads, she was already injured there and you could see it from the practices. The coaches tried to convince her not to go for all the quads but she insisted. It took physical inability to jump anything but lutzes to change things. Maybe things will be somewhat different now going forward.
Actually Anna does tend to outscore Sasha internationally, even when she doesn't get as high GOE. At the GPF last year, Anna had 4Lz-3T, 4F (fall), and 4Lz (<), so 1/3 clean quads. (Anna's 4Lz-3T scored a 19.15.) Sasha had 4F, 2S (4S pop), 4Lz, 4T-1Eu-3S, and 4T (< fall) so 3/5?clean quads. (Sasha's backloaded 4T-1Eu-3S scored a 18.44.) Anna's TES was a 94.52 whereas Sasha's was a 96.60. However, the real difference was in PCS where Sasha got a 65.93 (with a fall) and Anna got a 69.13 (with a fall). Anna more than makes up the difference in quads in PCS. Similarly at Euros, Anna had a 4Lz-3T, 4F (<), and 4Lz (<< fall) so once again 1/3 clean quads. (Anna's 4Lz-3T scored a 19.31.) Sasha had a 4Lz (fall), 4T-3T, 3F (4F pop), 4T (<< fall) so 1/4? clean quads. (Sasha's 4T-3T scored a 16.96.) Anna's TES was 89.62 while Sasha's was 85.14. However, once again the real difference is in PCS where Anna got a 71.19 (with a fall) while Sasha got 67.25 (with two falls.) Here actually, Anna's PCS almost reached Alena's who got 72.58 (with a fall.) All that to say, as long as Anna doesn't fall and rotates, she will score well as they haven't called her edges recently, especially if she can get her 4Lz-3T back. And she will outscore Sasha on PCS (by about 4/5 points).
Don't disagree. However, the originally poster was suggesting 3/4 clean quads from Sasha wouldn't be enough to beat Anna and that just isn't true internationally because Anna gets ( and would have gotten for even this amazing gutsy reckless skate) some URs and lower GOE internationally. If Sasha/ Anna have the same number of clean quads, obviously Anna wins. But, Sasha with 3/4 good clean quads ( and the rest of her program clean) will win internationally but probably not domestically.
Actually Anna with 1/3 clean quads (including a fall and an under rotation) beats Sasha with 3 clean quads (plus 1 pop and 1 under rotation). So even internationally, it's not guaranteed that Sasha would win, mostly due to PCS, where Anna's are higher.
I think the numbers disagree. Sasha would win mathematically if completely clean. You are using competitions where Sasha popped ( the worst thing a skater can do points wise) and made many visible mistakes. With a 3/4 quad completely clean performance she wins.. Numbers don't lie. ( But, the likelihood of her doing that is slim) Honestly, neither of these girls are particular favorites of mine. I hold them in high respect and find them to be amazing athletes. But Alena K. And Ksenia S. are the skaters who hold my heart in Russia. So, this isn't about who I like better, it's just math.
I actually think the numbers agree. Especially since Anna wasn't completely clean either. I think it they both do 3 quads and are clean, Anna wins, and she might even win if Sasha does 4 quads and is clean everywhere else. At Euros, Anna had 4Lz-3T, 4F (<) and 4Lz (<< F) as well as on her backloaded 3Lz-3Lo (<), so calls on 3/4 of her highest scoring elements, including 1 fall and 3 under rotations, and only 1 clean quad, and she STILL got 89.62 in TES and 71.19 in PCS. That was also Anna's worst skate all season. With a fall on her 4F and an under rotation on her 4Lz , Anna climbs up to a 94.52 in TES (as she did at GPF). Even if you keep the under rotation, just by not falling on the 4F, she gains another 5/6 points not even counting positive GOE.
) but the depth in Russian ladies is amazing (and that’s without Evgenia and Aliona). I really enjoyed Sasha the most today— I could really see her improvement, but Anna was good as well (I wasn’t sure she was going to make it — I still think she should’ve withdrawn because this free skate could’ve went a completely different way but still...Congrats!) I also really enjoyed Liza N and Sofia!
We can agree to disagree. But, who holds the WR for fs score internationally. It isn't Anna. And, in that competition Sasha landed 3 clean quads and definitely wasn't overscored as much as the overscored Euro competition last year. Anyway, this isn't a necessary argument. Happy for the strong ladies. I hope they all recover and continue to get stronger!
No it isn't. But that was before Anna landed 3 quads in competition and repeated as Russian national champion. She's done that again now, so I expect her score to rise. I'm not saying Sasha won't win, I'm just saying those who expect Anna not to score well (if clean) internationally are probably going to be surprised, especially with Anna's PCS boost and Russian politics now that she's number 1. I expect her to start to get Alena PCS soon (even potentially Alina/Evgenia PCS). (Remember also that Evgenia didn't used to get calls internationally on her jumps.)We can agree to disagree. But, who holds the WR for fs score internationally. It isn't Anna. And, in that competition Sasha landed 3 clean quads and definitely wasn't overscored as much as the overscored Euro competition last year. Anyway, this isn't a necessary argument. Happy for the strong ladies. I hope they all recover and continue to get stronger!
Yeah, agreed. Also, see Japan, which are known for not tending to overscore domestically and even still look at Rika and Kaori compared to the rest. (Kaori especially and I LOVE her.)
Id say those scores would be in th 230-250 range, with somewhat lower GOEs and edge / UR calls here and there or all 3 girls.
