I've written in the past that I find Chan to be a very good skater but not nearly as excellent as his scores indicate. Come on, 88.90? 50.30 on TES? What, did he get +3 on every element? Plushenko at Olys, with a 4-3, levels 3 and 4 on everything, and the judges just looking where to overmark, didn't get that high a tech score. So of course it looks strange, and people will comment.
ETA: I'm not Kozuka's biggest fan, but why was he screwed on the PCS like that? He skates beautifully and that part of his score should reflect it.
Yes, Daisuke's score was quite huge. Lower than Patricks's today, though.
I don't think it would be so annoying if the scoring was uniformly inflated... But after watching the programs (except Evan's, which I haven't found yet) I feel that the scores were completely ridiculous. In no way there should be such gap between Patrick's PCS and Takahiko's/Nobunari's. Takahiko's scores look extremely ungenerous when compared to his GPF SP (high 7's dropping to migh/mid 6's)... After seeing the scores I thought that the Japanese boys completely fell apart, which wasn't the case.
I agree that Patrick should be in the lead, but to beat his his PB by more than 7 points?! His previous PB was 81.39 at TEB, and people already thought that the scoring at TEB was very generous.
Ant - my own feeling is that 4CC is a generally overscored event. But scoring seems to have gone up this season in general, with PBs for just about everyone. It seems like in Plushenko's time the judges were overscoring through the PCS, whereas now any cleanly done element will score +GOE. I thought positive GOE meant good/excellent, not just competent. So now we regularly see 80+ SPs and LPs in the 150s or even higher - but I don't see how the skating has improved, or even how the skaters/coaches have figured out how to work CoP better. Guys were regularly getting high levels as early as the 2005-6 season, but not these sort of scores (with a few exceptions).
I have no problem with Patrick Chan getting high levels; from what I have seen of his skating, the levels are indeed reflective of what he is doing. I do not think, however, that he should be getting the GOEs he likely received last night (and in earlier events). Yes, I've heard all about how he does steps leading into everything and takes no time to set up jumps. I've looked at his programs. He doesn't. That is - he does on some jumps, but certainly not universally and in some cases no more than other skaters.
As Okami noted, Patrick Chan was better scored than Dai last year; in fact, it looks like he just got the highest SP score by any skater not named Plushenko. He did this without a quad - ok, so did Dai last year, or Kozuka at GPF (which, you guys will remember, neither Kozuka nor Chan won). But Chan is not the first skater to skate a very well excuted SP, and the others were not scored like this - not even close, except for Dai. Stephane Lambiel and Jeffrey Buttle never got higher than 84, and regularly got less - yet I seem to remember some super programs from both. Johnny's Swan got him exactly 80 at Torino. I cannot believe it was 9 points worse than whatever Chan did. So why are we seeing such crazy scores that we haven't before, except during Plush's overscored final season? I have no answer to that one.
Comments like this are troubling, and the comments about the PCS. However good/great Chan is, is he truly THAT much better than everyone else? Come on, really? Better than Kozuka, better than Dai at his best, etc.?
If he lips, he should get dinged for it. And if we're going to scrutinize UR so much, then we need to look at pre-rotation, too.
I know several people are being offended by the so-called "bashing," but I haven't heard anyone say Chan isn't super -- just that he's maybe not THAT much better than every other current or past skater ever scored under COP.
It's just worrying. I don't overall like COP, but I will say that it has often seemed to lead to more actual judging of the event and the performances of the day, rather than reputation judging, so when we see results like this, it gives you a kind of "nothing's changed" feeling.
I just wanted to say that I wholeheartedly agree with all of the above comments. :thumbsup: You guys expressed exactly I wanted to say, so I don't have to add anything.