Funny you should say Joannie's jump layout is not even remotely on the same level of difficulty as Mao, yet she beat Asada, not once, not twice, but 3 times this season!!!!
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Funny you should say Joannie's jump layout is not even remotely on the same level of difficulty as Mao, yet she beat Asada, not once, not twice, but 3 times this season!!!!
I don't think that Mao needs to get rid of the 3axel. I just don't understand why she's doing no 3/3's no double axel/3toes or anything.
Mao really gives up a lot of points this way. Her base value for her program last year was way higher because she got more jumps in do to the combinations.
Mao really gives up a lot of points this way. Her base value for her program last year was way higher because she got more jumps in do to the combinations.
This season's jump layout was not planned. In the first run-throughs of the program Mao was doing 3Lz (still a bit flutzed then) in the place of 3T and 3F-3T in the second half of the program. In the first competitions in the planned element sheets she also had two 3-3s planned (and two 3As).
Then Mao started working on fixing her jumping technique and some of her jumps become unstable. She did not lost them completely, but judging from reports they were not reliable enough to put them in the program, especially not in the second half. I think that Mao stuck with two 3As simply because she felt more comfortable with 3A than with 3Lz.
We cannot know for sure what Mao is planning for the next season, but at the beginning of this season Tatiana suggested that while this season is about "change and challenge" (the last chance to really experiment before the Olympics, not only with the jumps but also with the unusual style of music and step sequence that lasts 45 seconds), in the the next season they will take no risks and choreograph programs comfortable for Mao.
Thank you Okami. That is very interesting. I am glad to know that TAT has all the plan laid out for Mao. Choice of music, very aggressive footwork, risking with jumps, everything makes sense now!! I am so happy to know that Mao did not stay in the comfort zone this year just in order to win. Instead she grew as versatile skater. Whether this plan works or not, I am sure this year was certainly irreplaceable year for her as a skater as well as a person. I can not wait for her next season. And I can not wait what Yu-na is going to do. Is she going to perfect her flip. Is she going to put 3loop combination? Or is she going to do exactly same thing as this year. For a girl who won long program with just one kind of ratified triple, anything is possible.
First of all that's ridiculous, one ratified triple. Second of all on her flip, Yu-na gets no counterrotation. A little people with really bad lips do have counterrtation, which is what a lutz has counterrotation. So you cannot compare Yu-na's lip that is really a flat, to a really bad flutz.
And her 3toes weren't ratified? Really
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Of course she can win!! GO KIM YU NA. YOU CAN DO IT. she can rely on her super spiral squence with her 2.00 goe and the oh so dreamy and unbelieveable positions, and her STUNNING footwork!!!!!!! it beated mao
. She also has this MASSIVE double axel which somehow is about the same as a triple loop, and her expression omg. YOU CAN TELLL SHE IS SOOO IN IT. she is not like putting a mask on because u can tell that is really KIM YU NA when she is skating. I mean this is picture is so Kim Yu NA!!!!
http://i40.tinypic.com/4gk83k.jpg
if kim yu na wins w/o a triple next year in og i won't be surprised because she is the best in every single thing and she is unstoppable !!!!
I really don't have any idea who you are talking about... Looks like you are referring to Yuna along the previous sentences.
Still have no idea what you're talking about. Yuna had flip, lutz, and toe-loop ratified.
Just one kind of ratified triple?? :scratch: Or are you talking about her history-like in novice years?? Well, then it makes sense.
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Go, Yu-na!
But this part does raise an interesting question.
Looking at the protocols, everybody got sky high GOEs on spirals: All of the following skaters did level 4 spiral sequences (base value 3.4). Here are their GOEs
Kim 2.00
Ando 1.00 (!?)
Rochette 1.20
Flatt 1.40
Lepisto 1.00
Czisny 1.80
Gedevanishvili 1.40
The first four on that list have never been known for great spirals -- quite the contrary. Yet the judges seem determined to shower them with big GOEs.
Any explanation?
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Go, Yu-na!
But this part does raise an interesting question.
Looking at the protocols, everybody got sky high GOEs on spirals: All of the following skaters did level 4 spiral sequences (base value 3.4). Here are their GOEs
Kim 2.00
Ando 1.00 (!?)
Rochette 1.20
Flatt 1.40
Lepisto 1.00
Czisny 1.80
Gedevanishvili 1.40
The first four on that list have never been known for great spirals -- quite the contrary. Yet the judges seem determined to shower them with big GOEs.
Any explanation?
Mao got low goe on it -_-.
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Not really.
If you look at the judges' scores across the line you will see that she got mostly +1's and some +2's. The reason this did not translate into a higher score is that her spiral was only a level three, so everything is scaled down accordingly.
Go, Yu-na!
But this part does raise an interesting question.
Looking at the protocols, everybody got sky high GOEs on spirals: All of the following skaters did level 4 spiral sequences (base value 3.4). Here are their GOEs
Kim 2.00
Ando 1.00 (!?)
Rochette 1.20
Flatt 1.40
Lepisto 1.00
Czisny 1.80
Gedevanishvili 1.40
The first four on that list have never been known for great spirals -- quite the contrary. Yet the judges seem determined to shower them with big GOEs.
Any explanation?
In case of Yuna, her spiral is really fast, edgy and covers lots of, lots of ice. She basically covers from one end of the rink to the other end in serpentine. Actually she's got high GOE all seaon. Her position could be better but it's improved so much over the years that I'm really impressed. So did the judges I guess.
Joannie also has great speed and coverage but at this Worlds, she seemed somewhat slow.
I have to say I prefer fast and edgy spiral(Yuna, Carolina, Joannie, etc) to super-streched yet slow one. But I really loved Alissa's.
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In case of Yuna, her spiral is really fast, edgy and covers lots of, lots of ice. She basically covers from one end of the rink to the other end in serpentine. Actually she's got high GOE all seaon. Her position could be better but it's improved so much over the years that I'm really impressed. So did the judges I guess.
Joannie also has great speed and coverage but at this Worlds, she seemed somewhat slow.
I have to say I prefer fast and edgy spiral(Yuna, Carolina, Joannie, etc) to super-streched yet slow one. But I really loved Alissa's.
Impressed because its improved so much? zzzzz
Sadly 2.00 means near perfect. Yu-na's spiral is not near perfect, im sorry.
But to me it's near perfect. If she points her toes then it will be totally perfect.:yes:
I think there are 5 aspects in spiral; speed, edge, posture, ice-coverage and stability.
The only thing Yuna is lack of is posture- just a little bit.
But then again, I'm not a judge. Just an armchair viewer.
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OOOPS, It seems like my post made some Yu-na fan a little upset. I am sorry if I did. I know her double axel probably is as good as triple loop with plus GOE. And her lutz is the best among female skaters now. I just wanted to make a point that as good as Yu-na is, I hope Yu-na will fix her flip and perfect loop and maybe try loop combo to make her program more versatile. That is all. I know she can do it.
For example Yuna had 3F(with !). three 2A, two 3Lz and 2S(supposed to be 3S)
Miki had two 3Lz, 2A,3S,3Lo(ur), 3T
Rochette had two 3Lz, 3F,2Lo(supposed to be 3Lo), 3T and 3S
Mao did 2 3A(1 fell and ur),two 3F, 3Lo, 3T and 2A
They put different kind of triples (I am not counting the second jump in combo) in their program. I know with new judging system, what Yu-na is doing is the wisest thing to do to win by accumulating points.,She has the best triple toe combo. but I am sure she can win by showing us that she can perfect different jumps as well. That is all.I
am not trying to offend anyone!!
GOOOOOOOOO MAO!!!!
GOOOOOOOOO Yu-NA!!! and of course
GOOOOOOOOO Rachael, Caroline and Mirai!!!!
For example Yuna had 3F(with !). three 2A, two 3Lz and 2S(supposed to be 3S)
Miki had two 3Lz, 2A,3S,3Lo(ur), 3T
Rochette had two 3Lz, 3F,2Lo(supposed to be 3Lo), 3T and 3S
Mao did 2 3A(1 fell and ur),two 3F, 3Lo, 3T and 2A
They put different kind of triples (I am not counting the second jump in combo) in their program. I know with new judging system, what Yu-na is doing is the wisest thing to do to win by accumulating points.,She has the best triple toe combo. but I am sure she can win by showing us that she can perfect different jumps as well. That is all.I
am not trying to offend anyone!!
GOOOOOOOOO MAO!!!!
GOOOOOOOOO Yu-NA!!! and of course
GOOOOOOOOO Rachael, Caroline and Mirai!!!!
Plus two beautiful 3Ts. I just wanted to make it more precise.
Still don't really understand how you ended up saying 'just one kind of ratified triple', though.
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Hypothetically, even if Yuna tries loop combo, you won't count it because it is a second jump. Hm. Then it seems it's not gonna make that much of a difference to you.
But anyway, I got what you said. Okay.
That's pretty ridiculous, Pro, most of the women in the world can't do 3T on the back of combinations.
gourry, sorry I confused you. And thanks for understanding my strange way of looking at the program. So if Yu-na adds 3 loop,good 3F, 3lz and let's say 3S then she can show us her ability of 4 different kind of triples,l, And if she could put 3 toe combination and 3 loop combination , she can show us her ability of being able to do 2 different kind of combos.. Maybe it is not strategically the best thing, but I just want not only Yu-na but everyone to show they can do different kind of jumps in their program. Sorry if I confused you again......
Yu-na does do two kinds of combos a double axel/3toe is different from a 3flip/3toe you know.. And once again doing a 3toe in combination shows she can do a 3toe. Kim probably has the best 3toe technique in the world.
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