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- Oct 23, 2011
Sincerely and simply, I have begun in the time since Vancouver to start watching more ice dance, and while I have always loved certain teams, like Bourne and Kraatz, and liked some programs of Belgosto, I really did not have much opportunity to pay much attention until Vancouver made me realize what was happening in Canton and that ice dance was more appealing to me in the 'modern era.' I confess to not have been a fan of the overwrought (sorry no offense-just my poor taste I guess) of much of the Russian-Euro domination of the sport with some not to my enjoyment years and trends. I cop to liking the Brittish team of Torvill and Dean, and fully admit to not watching in any depth ice dancing as it was sometimes dreadful, and I had no understanding of how it was scored other than politcs being a factor. I have always been more interested in singles and pairs. I understood the scoring, and while I have a clue about CoP, I have been out of the loop really since SLC. Vancouver, and 2010 was a r-eawakwning to more indepth interest. Concurrently, it was harder to access skating but the two big boards have made it possible to catch up, to learn from the many skaters and avid fans who post here. Quite impressive really, as well as other boards and places we have links to.
Thank you GS posters and especially, patient, kind ones who allow and respect beginners or old folks, LOL.
Sometimes one feels stupid asking questions that are so obvious to others. This is my question directed to skaters or people clearly expert in scoring, which is still highly vague and variable at least to me in the art and sport, in that order of ice dance. I asked in a couple threads and I don't think it was answered. The top 3 or 4 teams to me seem different but excellent, and their skills seem to my uneducated eye, very on par with one another. I realize that reputation judging will never go away and that at this level, the music, the choreography, the impact of the FD on the judges is what makes a medal or not. No one falls in icedance. Maybe a twizzle or two look tired at the end. Iwant to enjoy ice dance but only skim the rules threads. It seems incredible to me and way too complicated, this CoP.
I watched many skates but only on computer. I loved the Shibs FD in the 2010-2011 season. I thought, this is what ice dance should be, this is perfection. It was pleasing to my taste on every level and seemd like the purest skating I had seen in many years in ice dance. They are young and must wait, but I thought all three Canton teams were worthy of gold. I appreciated their differences and wanted to watch ice dance again after having been turned off by some programs from the Russian schools, or the French teams. I could appreciate the difficulty of what A/P did but found their skating contrived. Really, Igor/Marina brought ice dance in a new direction far more palatable to North American tastes as well as producing teams who could perform CoP programs that were actually beautiful. CoP seems to have changed ice dance for the better imho, along with this magical duo in Canton.
My simple question to those who know ice dance or any skaters is, was the Fd of D/W significantly more difficult than other top teams's programs, V/M in particular? It is very time consuming to wade through pages of as it happened comments from the Worlds folder to get a consensus from those who know more than I re ID and the system. (Everyone, LOL). Without any nationalism, I thought D/W were the best team this year and would like to know how and why they did not receive gold. I find V/M intoxicating in their beauty and the chemistry. It was beautiful, they are stunning, and they mesmerized me in Vancouver. I could not see anyone I watched who seemed to deserve the gold more. I forget many things but their FD to Mahler's music was so complete and transcendant. It is something I have watched several times and of course internet has it's limitations. With no knowledge of the Canton group, I clearly felt the gold was so deserved. I do feel that their FD this year relied more on their chemistry and it seemed not nearly as difficult or complete as Die Fledermaus by D/W. I would like to understand from unbiased fans (Doris?) or skaters why this program received silver at Worlds. Other than politics, or some such reason. Explaining the scoring would help, but is it simply not understanding ice dance that made me perceive it as far more difficult? I thought the gold medal should have been theirs in most if not all outings this year. Any explanation is appreciated, and it is not easy to be an ice dance fan these days with such scoring complexity. I watch because I like the trends, the style has gone back to beautiful patterns and programs I like, especially from the top 4 teams.
Thanks. I am here to learn. (and have a bit of fun.)
Thank you GS posters and especially, patient, kind ones who allow and respect beginners or old folks, LOL.
Sometimes one feels stupid asking questions that are so obvious to others. This is my question directed to skaters or people clearly expert in scoring, which is still highly vague and variable at least to me in the art and sport, in that order of ice dance. I asked in a couple threads and I don't think it was answered. The top 3 or 4 teams to me seem different but excellent, and their skills seem to my uneducated eye, very on par with one another. I realize that reputation judging will never go away and that at this level, the music, the choreography, the impact of the FD on the judges is what makes a medal or not. No one falls in icedance. Maybe a twizzle or two look tired at the end. Iwant to enjoy ice dance but only skim the rules threads. It seems incredible to me and way too complicated, this CoP.
I watched many skates but only on computer. I loved the Shibs FD in the 2010-2011 season. I thought, this is what ice dance should be, this is perfection. It was pleasing to my taste on every level and seemd like the purest skating I had seen in many years in ice dance. They are young and must wait, but I thought all three Canton teams were worthy of gold. I appreciated their differences and wanted to watch ice dance again after having been turned off by some programs from the Russian schools, or the French teams. I could appreciate the difficulty of what A/P did but found their skating contrived. Really, Igor/Marina brought ice dance in a new direction far more palatable to North American tastes as well as producing teams who could perform CoP programs that were actually beautiful. CoP seems to have changed ice dance for the better imho, along with this magical duo in Canton.
My simple question to those who know ice dance or any skaters is, was the Fd of D/W significantly more difficult than other top teams's programs, V/M in particular? It is very time consuming to wade through pages of as it happened comments from the Worlds folder to get a consensus from those who know more than I re ID and the system. (Everyone, LOL). Without any nationalism, I thought D/W were the best team this year and would like to know how and why they did not receive gold. I find V/M intoxicating in their beauty and the chemistry. It was beautiful, they are stunning, and they mesmerized me in Vancouver. I could not see anyone I watched who seemed to deserve the gold more. I forget many things but their FD to Mahler's music was so complete and transcendant. It is something I have watched several times and of course internet has it's limitations. With no knowledge of the Canton group, I clearly felt the gold was so deserved. I do feel that their FD this year relied more on their chemistry and it seemed not nearly as difficult or complete as Die Fledermaus by D/W. I would like to understand from unbiased fans (Doris?) or skaters why this program received silver at Worlds. Other than politics, or some such reason. Explaining the scoring would help, but is it simply not understanding ice dance that made me perceive it as far more difficult? I thought the gold medal should have been theirs in most if not all outings this year. Any explanation is appreciated, and it is not easy to be an ice dance fan these days with such scoring complexity. I watch because I like the trends, the style has gone back to beautiful patterns and programs I like, especially from the top 4 teams.
Thanks. I am here to learn. (and have a bit of fun.)
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