DWTS has had some unorthodox choices for paso dobles
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I like B&S. I think they are a team that are better live than on a television screen. I was not a fan of theirs but seeing them at Skate America 2012 changed my mind. I didn't like their programs last year, but at least they try to do something different.
Vanilla is a nice, safe ice cream flavor.
We don't hate it, we just don't think it's our favorite.
B/S = vanilla
Perfectly pleasant, but nothing to write home about when there are so many other flavors on the menu.
I'm looking forward to this Carmen fest. God knows I'll probably be sick of it by the end of the season, but every team has its own interpretation of Carmen, each one brings something of their own into it, so I'm reaaaally looking forward to see each and every interpretation, at least once
Ekaterina has dyed her hair for the role
Also Navka was blonde and won the OGM with it (Kostomarov happened to be on the ice as well, but we all know that Navka won the OGM for them both.
fleeting said:Also, Ekaterina did dye her hair for the role, but it looks more auburn/red than the typical brown or black:
http://instagram.com/p/pDmHxbhnRs/
This forum is mainly for figure skating fans, being fan is mostly about liking / not liking and it often doesn't have much to do with figure skating qualities. It's OK, fans can behave like that.
1) B&S are one of the fastest couples in current ice dancing. Do you call high speed a "safe" thing?
2) The couple always had a very difficult choreography, under Kustarova in past years some of programs were even overchoreographed (which was not good of course). Having millions of moves and big difficulty in whole program is called "safe"?
3) B&S skate in close holds more than any other team, it was very visible especially in this season SD. And we all know that close holds are more difficult than open holds. Doing more difficult holds which are also more risky (because in close holds you can make mistake, loose control and speed more easily) is called "safe"?
But maybe you meant B&S being safe and pleasant in presentation....
4) B&S came with very original concepts in past two years – Psycho and Birds. Under Kustarova in recent years there were Chess SD in 2010/11 season, Sailor's Dance SD in 2009/10 season. All those dances (and not only those) made a disccusion in the time the couple presented them, somebody liked it, somebody not. Especially last two FD programs made an explosion in figure skating world. No matter if you like or not like those dances, how can you call it "safe"?
5) B&S are known for big drama and an expresiveness in their programs...do you mean drama = expressiveness mean "safe" way of skating?
6) During past seasons B&S skated to classical music like Bach, Vivaldi, Adagio, but they also took Romeo & Juliette in modern version, Morricone, Artsakh – an Armenian Dance, Walpurgis Night. They skated to music without any certain story, or they had a romantic story (White Night’s), they skated to big drama (Walpurgis Night, R&J, Chess or Birds), or to psychological drama (Psycho). They had serious dances, but they were also a little bit funny in Sailor’s Dance, Katya was cute and innocent in Polka‘s SD. Do you really mean that their programs were “safe“ choices?
I don’t say that every picture in every program was successfull, it was not. But most of dances was expressed on a good, very good or great level. And the couple really tried to push themselves into new images and attemps to improve their skating and dancing. While some other dancers fell into their typical style and repeated it again and again – but this is not pushing the level of dancer up.
I don't think that Carmen in SD should hurt people so much. All of you are describing Carmen in past years, especially Krylova and Bestemianova were fantastic.
Flamenco (you need dark hair):
: Tanith Belbin – blond
: Marina Annissina – red
: Kaitlyn Weaver – blond
Carmen (you need dark hair):
: Tatiana Navka – blond
: Natalia Bestemianova – red
Gypsy Dance (you need dark hair):
: Tanith Belbin – blond
Arabian dance (you need dark hair):
: Oksana Grishuk – blond
: Marina Annissina – red
: Tatiana Navka - blond
Scheherezade + Indian Disco dance + Quasimodo in Esmeralda – every character dictated Charlie to have dark hair…and he stayed blond.
Even Carolina Kostner didn’t dye her hair for Geisha or Scheherezade story.
Where is the problem than?
Thank Sisinka and Alba for replying. It just can't convince to me that I/Z are better( or equal to) than S/K at this point, although I hope they are better. Why TAT didn't like S/Z? any details? Does she like their coaches? Z?
Thank Sisinka and Alba for replying. It just can't convince to me that I/Z are better( or equal to) than S/K at this point, although I hope they are better. Why TAT didn't like S/Z? any details? Does she like their coaches? Z?
Overall, they're a "safe" choice in that they lack a certain x-factor, for me. I'm not alone on this, but I'm sure you and their fans disagree. They're not bad skaters by any means - they're quite accomplished, I think! - but they're just not distinctive. For me, there's no true star quality that makes them truly exciting to watch. I like that they do try to push themselves, but they don't stand out for me the way certain other star couples do.
sisinka - and other fans here - I must say I like and respect how you've stuck up for and defended B/S. For me they're not the most exciting pair by any means, but I like the thought process you've given to this. It shows a real appreciation for them that I may not have. I enjoy our debate on this!
Thanks for opinion.
Here is where the problem starts…if people appreciate x-factor or star quality or skating quality or dancing quality. I must say that I was used to see everything in top couples until the end of last decade. With changement of new judging system, dancing and deep edges slowly dissapear and other more athletic and less dancy things come on the first place. I can’t get used to it, so when I see somebody who looks to have some real skating / dancing qualities like past top dancers had, I simply appreciate it.
To x-factor, I know that it is very important for figure skating fans…and entertainment as well. But frankly Nora Hoffmann had bigger x-factor than Meryl or Madison Chock, why it was not enough than? Nora finished not higher than in top 8 at European Champs. For me Nora was decent in Skating Skills, and not variable in dancing despite her big passionate and wild character, so I was quite OK with her placement, but looking at x-factor and star quality, she should be definitely higher. So I really doubt how much star quality or x-factor should be included into marking and results. But for skating fans, it is essential, I know.
Thank Sisinka and Alba for replying. It just can't convince to me that I/Z are better( or equal to) than S/K at this point, although I hope they are better. Why TAT didn't like S/Z? any details? Does she like their coaches? Z?
She never told openly that she would dislike Ruslan or Victoria. Some people say that Kustarova / Alexeeva / Riabinina are in good terms with her, so who knows. But her critical attitude to Victoria & Ruslan while in the same moment she was praising Ivan Bukin was quite strange. Stepanova & Bukin finished 6th at Nationals this year. Personally looking at SD and FD at Nationals I would change some placements in top 6 there, but still S&B would lay on 5th or 6th place. Frankly until this season S&B are young and promising team who just came from juniors, but all other five Russian couples (B&S, I&K, S&Z, R&T and M&K) are a lot better in presentation, also better in skating skills, plus all those teams are more mature that S&B. Why Tarasova criticized S&Z and wanted to send Bukin at World Champs...it is good question but I don't have any logical or professional answer for it. :scratch:
But last year Tarasova almost looked to hate Konstantin Menshov who stood between Kovtun and European Champs... until this moment I can't get rid of an opinion that kicking Menshov out of European Team was unofficially mainly her work. And her notices about Menshov's age and no perspectives were really not on place. Why? For Kovtun? For something else? Only God knows.
Alexeeva is TAT's former assistant in the 80s. When TAT started to focus more on shows, Alexeeva inherited the group so no bad blood there.
how very funny, "at least for me". can you find over 10 others agree with you? guess not.I love that you use insanity and birds that way.
But point well taken - it's a matter of taste, at least for me.
I was referring to their presence on ice, not the content of their program.