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Red Dog said:It's also easy to tear apart certain posters...or I should say, a certain poster.
Are you making fun of me again I am starting to develop a complex
Just Kidding, I hope
Red Dog said:It's also easy to tear apart certain posters...or I should say, a certain poster.
Spirit said:That Runway episode. The guy who made a skating outfit that looked like a turkey in mating season was not voted off the show!
How in heaven's name could a tragedy like that be allowed to happen?
Jaana said:Yagudin gold in 2002 Europeans - Abt should have won
seanibu said:Are you making fun of me again I am starting to develop a complex
Just Kidding, I hope
Sorry, I was just having fun, I should have just kept my "mouth shut."Red Dog said:The comment was not directed at you. Just to clarify...
Yes, indeed! She won the gold at Skate America 2004, with a total of 145.50 points, over Phaneuf, Ando, Poykio, Czisny, Liashenko, Ota and others.Red Dog said:Didn't Nikodinov either medal or win one year at SA or something?
Well, the judges certainly agreed with you. They gave Sasha 197.35 points, the third highest total ever in the history of the CoP. (She got the second highest all-time total the next week at Skate Canada).Lanie said:Jenny should have won the LP in SA 2003? Wow. Um. Jenny, while she landed all her jumps, didn't have near the difficulty in her program that Sasha did.
By 2004 SA, CoP was in its second year for GP events, so the outcome shouldn't have been a surprise. I'm not sure why this would be vague. The skaters had a year of experience knowing that they could make up or lose a lot of ground between the SP and the LP.Mathman said:Yes, indeed! She won the gold at Skate America 2004, with a total of 145.50 points, over Phaneuf, Ando, Poykio, Czisny, Liashenko, Ota and others.
It was a strange competition, showing some of the vagaries of the then-new CoP. Angela got second in the short and second in the free. This put her substantially ahead of Ando, who won the short but fell to 6th in the free, and Poykio, who won the free skate but was so far behind after the short (8th) that she only finished 5th overall.
MM
That was not a judging error. Under CoP, the judges are instructed to mark all elements. The software that the Japanese Federation developed themselves to implement CoP at Japanese Nationals did not calculate Zayak infractions properly and counted those points. When the mistake was corrected in the scores, Takahashi was crowned champion, and rightly so according to the rules. (The ISU software captured each one of these errors all year, giving a value of zero to the element, despite the scores entered.)Kasey said:In terms of worst actual JUDGING errors, how is it that it hasn't been brought up about this last season's Japanese nationals, where they crowned two different men's champions in a matter of hours?? I felt bad for both Oda and Takahashi on that one...
I didn't mean that there was anything vague about the CoP in 2004 (or in 2003 either, for that matter) -- just that for fans used to ordinal judging these huge swings seemed capricious and whimsical. There have been quite a number of events by now where someone was able to make up a lot of ground after falling behind in the short, so I guess we are getting used to it.hockeyfan228 said:By 2004 SA, CoP was in its second year for GP events, so the outcome shouldn't have been a surprise. I'm not sure why this would be vague. The skaters had a year of experience knowing that they could make up or lose a lot of ground between the SP and the LP.
Mathman said:I didn't mean that there was anything vague about the CoP in 2004 (or in 2003 either, for that matter) -- just that for fans used to ordinal judging these huge swings seemed capricious and whimsical. There have been quite a number of events by now where someone was able to make up a lot of ground after falling behind in the short, so I guess we are getting used to it.
MM
PS. Was it Ronnie Robertson or Tim Woods who was deprived of an Olympic gold medal because of a judge's math error? IIRC the judge tried to correct it afterward, but it was too late.
Have you seen them live in competition? I have for the last four years, and, in my opinion, with the exception of a few elements here and there they are several levels above Z/Z, Pang/Tong, S/S (whom I love), I/B, or O/S. I think the scores they had recognized their overall superiority over the competition, and they weren't so high that a healthy Shen/Zhao wouldn't have had a chance, in contrast to Plushenko, for example, who had a 2+ jump lead over his closest competitors after the SP.BronzeisGolden said:3. 2006 Olympics - Totmianina & Marinin ...They were good and almost always better than the rest, but they were not as dominant or superior as their scores indicated. I do not dispute their victories one bit, but just because they are the best overall does not mean they deserve massive scores in every department.