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Guys, we're forgetting - Oda counted correctly!
Men's Short Program
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He beat Dai on TES by about four points, but Dai won PCS by 2. Dai was in 9th as far as TES...man!
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Glad that Ryan held his own. Top 10 finish likely if he doesn't totally fall apart on the fs.
Major dissapointment with the Swedes..especially Adrian...
I hope he comes back fresh and ready to go next season. *hugs*
Major dissapointment with the Swedes..especially Adrian...
I hope he comes back fresh and ready to go next season. *hugs*
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Congrats to Patrick, Oda and Dai. Well done!
Serous headscratching going on here too. When his scores came up, I was like "Wut huh?"
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Oda just ahead of Takahashi, but not by much. Dai must have had a downgrade, there's no way that a flawed Nobu would have beaten him otherwise. It's so great to see the Japanese men doing well, though. I think that they are showing such strength by performing well here in the face of such tragedy in their home country. I wish them all the best in the FS. They're all beautiful skaters.
It'll be hard to beat Chan after this, but I wouldn't call him champion just yet. If he completely tanks, he could loose it. The lead, though, does allow for some mistakes on his part. I really hope that he can pull out a FS thats at least near the level with which he skated at Canadian nationals. (For those who didn't see that skate, he had a brilliant, clean FS with a 4/3 a 4 and a 3 axel in addition to everything else) If he does that, there can be no question that he will be the best. What a great start to worlds!
It'll be hard to beat Chan after this, but I wouldn't call him champion just yet. If he completely tanks, he could loose it. The lead, though, does allow for some mistakes on his part. I really hope that he can pull out a FS thats at least near the level with which he skated at Canadian nationals. (For those who didn't see that skate, he had a brilliant, clean FS with a 4/3 a 4 and a 3 axel in addition to everything else) If he does that, there can be no question that he will be the best. What a great start to worlds!
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hehe. You're right, but I think that's more of a worry in the long program. Still have to keep our fingers crossed!
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Did the forum just crash or was it just me?
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Protocol time, people.
Takahashi: Not one thing did him in, but everything. His GOEs were low. No level fours. An edge call. AND they hit him on PCS. Not much to say here.
Amodio vs Gachinsky: The big difference comes from the combos. Gachinsky gets 4.3 more points from that. Knock off the points he lost from the loop. Recall that Amodio gets an edge call on his flip AND that the loop is only .2 less than the flip to begin with. So, is Amodio's PCS advantage that much higher over Gachinsky's TES? I don't think so, and neither did the judges.
Chan: Largely what Blades said. Generous GOEs. Level fours except for one spin.
Takahashi: Not one thing did him in, but everything. His GOEs were low. No level fours. An edge call. AND they hit him on PCS. Not much to say here.
Amodio vs Gachinsky: The big difference comes from the combos. Gachinsky gets 4.3 more points from that. Knock off the points he lost from the loop. Recall that Amodio gets an edge call on his flip AND that the loop is only .2 less than the flip to begin with. So, is Amodio's PCS advantage that much higher over Gachinsky's TES? I don't think so, and neither did the judges.
Chan: Largely what Blades said. Generous GOEs. Level fours except for one spin.
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Yup. Kept trying to get in to no avail until just now.
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IT crashed.
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Dai was not downgraded. He just got level 3 on all his spins and step sequence. He also got an "e" for his flip. Amano's not handing out any favors, but the judging panel sure is generous with those GOE's for Patrick.
Protocol: http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2011/wc2011_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
Protocol: http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2011/wc2011_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
Protocal time.
First of all, WHAT is up with all the edge calls on the flip? Seven of them.
One Judge gave Chan a 10s on the skating skills (probably deserved) and performance (uh, no.) But those GOEs are incredible. All postive, and mostly 2's and afew threes thrown in there.
Oda had some Negative GOE that lost him a few points. Also a level two on the Combo spin.
Daisuke, only had negative GOE on the 3F-3T, which got an edge call, but no level fours.
Richard Dornbush got one of the edge calls on his flip and negative GOE on his 3A and 3F. He would have led Bradley by about two points if not for those two negative GOEs.
Bradley actually got positive GOE (though not much) on everything. Good for him. He did get a level 2 on his step sequence, which is about right. One judge did give him a 7 for performance and another gave him a 7 for Skating skills, but mostly 6s for PCS.
Miner got Negative GOE on the 3F (another edge call) and a -0.01 on on his upright spin.
3 Spots for the Americans is really unlikely, but not impossible. But I think top 10 finishes for Bradley and Dornbush is possible.
First of all, WHAT is up with all the edge calls on the flip? Seven of them.
One Judge gave Chan a 10s on the skating skills (probably deserved) and performance (uh, no.) But those GOEs are incredible. All postive, and mostly 2's and afew threes thrown in there.
Oda had some Negative GOE that lost him a few points. Also a level two on the Combo spin.
Daisuke, only had negative GOE on the 3F-3T, which got an edge call, but no level fours.
Richard Dornbush got one of the edge calls on his flip and negative GOE on his 3A and 3F. He would have led Bradley by about two points if not for those two negative GOEs.
Bradley actually got positive GOE (though not much) on everything. Good for him. He did get a level 2 on his step sequence, which is about right. One judge did give him a 7 for performance and another gave him a 7 for Skating skills, but mostly 6s for PCS.
Miner got Negative GOE on the 3F (another edge call) and a -0.01 on on his upright spin.
3 Spots for the Americans is really unlikely, but not impossible. But I think top 10 finishes for Bradley and Dornbush is possible.
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Yeah, it's all the little things.
For example, I think we'd all agree Patrick's steps are awesome. But if you notice, he and Dai got the exact same GOES: three 3's, six 2's. Because Chan's are level four vs Dai's level three, however, his overall GOE is doubled: 2.29 to 1.14(528etc) While I'm fine with higher GOEs given for harder elements, I'd like to see a more direct progression (there's NO change in weighted GOEs awarded for levels one through three).
For example, I think we'd all agree Patrick's steps are awesome. But if you notice, he and Dai got the exact same GOES: three 3's, six 2's. Because Chan's are level four vs Dai's level three, however, his overall GOE is doubled: 2.29 to 1.14(528etc) While I'm fine with higher GOEs given for harder elements, I'd like to see a more direct progression (there's NO change in weighted GOEs awarded for levels one through three).
Both Canada and US will more than likely lose their 3 spots. For US to be able to qualify 3, their top 2 skaters will need to climb over 5 skaters each. So you may kiss goodbye to that.
