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Is Dai's SP up on youtube? I can't find it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyPPnIGExtM&sns=fbIs Dai's SP up on youtube? I can't find it.
But even Armin has better ss than Menshov and Mroz -- Armin just needs more experience and maturity.
gmyers, I say this with all sincereity, don't worry about it, it's not the Olympics. I too am a huge proponent of the quad, always have been, it won't go away, in fact its value has gone up since the 2010 Olympics.
Rather, just enjoy this beautiful wonderful memorable moment in honor of Mr. Daisuke Takahashi and his phenomenal skating, or at least try to even if you're not a fan (I am btw ).
Now onto the Ladies!
These results don't discourage skaters from doing quads. Rather, they encourage skaters to skate with the command and artistry Daisuke Takahashi showed. A message somewhat weakened by Brandon Mroz's inexplicably high PCS. Not having a quad may not hurt your PCS, but having one can definitely inflate it past all sense.
The judges also said you can land quad lutz but you be 16 points behind someone quadless.
Was Takahashi's score a reaction against the Quad lutz? I mean what was going through their minds when they made this score so high? There is one less element then there was at the Olympics and Takahashi beat his score there!
It is only the SP of the NHK trophy and Takahashi could still try a quad in the LP but 2008 and 2009 worlds were not the OLympics either and trends start somewhere.
The judges also said you can land quad lutz but you be 16 points behind someone quadless. Was Takahashi's score a reaction against the Quad lutz? I mean what was going through their minds when they made this score so high? There is one less element then there was at the Olympics and Takahashi beat his score there!
This whole thing is kind of troubling but could be wiped out by the LP so it is just going on the backburner!
You're selling Menshov a bit short. He gives an impression of being out of control, but it's not really true. He is extremely fast and his edges are acceptable. I like Armin a lot and he is a lovely dancer on the ice, but he is quite slow. His edge depth and control is better than Menshov, but not really by much, and not enough to justify how much slower he is.
Mroz is just hopeless for a senior international man, though.
Really? Because, to me, the judges were saying that a quad lutz won't save you if the rest of your skating is mediocre. Which is a perfectly fine message to send, I would think. Let's get real here--the short program score is not based on a single element. Brandon may have the quad lutz, but literally every other aspect of Daisuke's skating was far superior to Brandon's. There's no question about it.
There's no question that the Quad Lutz was underrotated. I don't need to see the replay, but you'll see it when it comes up.
Really? Because, to me, the judges were saying that a quad lutz won't save you if the rest of your skating is mediocre. Which is a perfectly fine message to send, I would think. Let's get real here--the short program score is not based on a single element. Brandon may have the quad lutz, but literally every other aspect of Daisuke's skating was far superior to Brandon's. There's no question about it.
I agree. I've seen Mroz live and it was just horrifically dull. Every year we hear about how he worked with a great choreographer (Bezic, Dickson, Buttle) and has improved his presentation - but I just don't think he has it in him. Mroz vs Dai is not a situation like 2008 Worlds or the Olympics, where the guy with the quad brought a lot more to the table than just that jump. Like Kevin Reynolds (who actually has improved his presentation, just not enough), Mroz is simply too limited a skater to be competitive against the top of the field, even with a "4Lz". Which brings me to my next point...I agree re Mroz, but apparently the judges don't, and isn't that a travesty? Mroz can skate too, but clearly he lacks good presentation skills and has zippo artistry. He has fairly decent ss, a tad better than Contesti or on a par with him. So why does the quad help elevate Mroz' PCS -- that's the flaw in this system, or is it just the politics?
I thought so, too. So did my friend who was watching with me, and who is a fellow skating fan. It looked very iffy on replay as well - not a <<, but very likely a <. I'll skip the replay because seeing his SP once was enough for me.There's no question that the Quad Lutz was underrotated. I don't need to see the replay, but you'll see it when it comes up.
That was gorgeous!