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You can't blame the CoP for the bad economy that killed off the Tom Collins tour.
You can't blame the CoP for the bad economy that killed off the Tom Collins tour.
To me, the gymnastics CoP is easier to understand that the figure skating sytem. (Not that I understand it, but anyway...)
What I got out of the commentary was that the difficulty score is predetermined by the tricks that you chose to include in your routine. So many points for a half-back-pikey-double-sommersault, etc. If you omit or fail to execute a planned element, the difficulty score is reduced accordingly.
This is sort of like the total element score in skating, but not really. In skating you do not have to do the tricks that you plan, you can substitute a later jump for one missed earlier, etc.
Then the Execution score. I guess this is sort of like GOE, except instead of giving bonus points for meeting certain bullets or for doing an element with extra flair, the only thing that counts is deductions for specific errors. One point for a fall, three tenths for having your legs come apart when they are supposed to be together, and like that.
There does not seem to be anything in gymnastics corresponding to program components. No one seems to care if the program as a whole is well-constructed, or if they pay attention to the music on the floor, or anything like that. The idea seems to be, do the tricks, get the score.
If skating goes in that direction, we might as well be watching arm wrestling and dispense with the music altogether.
I think the biggest Champions on Ice tour was 2002, following the Olympics. 93 cities. The skaters were exhausted.
Not every skater did every show. As I recall, Sarah Hughes, as Olympic champion, skated last in the shows at the beginning of the tour that she participated in. When Sarah dropped out, they put Michelle in that spot (Fields of Gold). But Alexei Yagudin said, hey, wait a minute. i'm a gold medal winner, too. Michelle only got bronze. So they let Yagudin skate last for a good portion of the tour.
http://heatherw.com/mk/pics/events/coi02/coi_open_judy.jpg
More Champions on Ice, 2002
http://www.legendsofhockey.net/LegendsOfHockey/trophies/winners/PRT2002.jpg
To me, the gymnastics CoP is easier to understand that the figure skating sytem. (Not that I understand it, but anyway...)
What I got out of the commentary was that the difficulty score is predetermined by the tricks that you chose to include in your routine. So many points for a half-back-pikey-double-sommersault, etc. If you omit or fail to execute a planned element, the difficulty score is reduced accordingly.
This is sort of like the total element score in skating, but not really. In skating you do not have to do the tricks that you plan, you can substitute a later jump for one missed earlier, etc.
Then the Execution score. I guess this is sort of like GOE, except instead of giving bonus points for meeting certain bullets or for doing an element with extra flair, the only thing that counts is deductions for specific errors. One point for a fall, three tenths for having your legs come apart when they are supposed to be together, and like that.
There does not seem to be anything in gymnastics corresponding to program components. No one seems to care if the program as a whole is well-constructed, or if they pay attention to the music on the floor, or anything like that. The idea seems to be, do the tricks, get the score.
Thanks so much for the information, MoonlightSkater.
Ladies' gymnastics has changed radically. It seems like the present scoring system both reflects and drives this change.
Janetfan posted this performance by 14-year-old Dominque Moceano in 1996. Sort of the culmination of the trend that started with Olga Korbut.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6L8aZRDKcw
We will never see that sort of cutesy dancy routine again -- it does not score enough points.
I suppose it was sexist and unsporty back in the day to applaud little girls for being cutsey-wootsy while judging the boys on how steady they can hold their iron cross on the rings. I think the audience has matured along with the sport. Now we expect and appreciate strength and difficulty from the ladies, too.
Here is the best clip I have seen of Olga's legendary floor routine from1972.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJXXGyVly_g
The charm and beautiful expression Olga brought to gymnastics was perhaps the single greatest influence on (women's) gymnastics in USA. Olga's impact was so great she became one of the few athletes that actually transcended her sport.