Hehe. The system is not ready to deal with Sport. It's more about politics. And that witch won't allow some Russian new baby to take gold. Disgusting.
In the context where my reply came from it wasn't about Kim only. It was the general rather disrespective idea that podium in Sochi, and gold especially, is reserved for those three, those who are in the title of this thread.But then again, it is not easy to see whose political interests are served by elevating Kim over the favorites of the movers and shakers of the ISU (Russia, Canada, USA, Japan, Cinquanta, Dore, Piseev, Gailhaguet, etc.)
Wait, you are saying that you need to have a quad combo to beat Yuna, who doesn't have even 3A, not saying of a quad. Jesus...(a 4F+3T instead of 3F<, etc.),
But that didn't happen, which is the reason why people who like reality (ugh) better than fantasy rock are staying away from this thread. :yes:
No need to be upset. I assure you there are enough fools among the rich. Money doesn't always come from intelligence. Sometimes it's just luck. Or in case of fs- corrupted judging that made someone a fake Queen with millions followed.
In the context where my reply came from it wasn't about Kim only. It was the general rather disrespective idea that podium in Sochi, and gold especially, is reserved for those three, those who are in the title of this thread.
Wait, you are saying that you need to have a quad combo to beat Yuna, who doesn't have even 3A, not saying of a quad. Jesus...
ForeverFish said:Now, for the FS:
3A: 10.07 (2013 4CC)
3F: 6.10 (2012 NHK)
3Lz: 6.00 (she hasn't yet landed one cleanly this season, so let's just give her the BV with 0 GOE)
3Lo+2Lo: 7.50 (2013 Worlds)
FCCoSp: 4.50 (2013 Worlds)
2A+3T: 9.54 (2013 Worlds)
3S: 5.52 (2013 Worlds)
CCoSp: 4.50 (2012 CoC)
3F+2Lo+2Lo: 10.37 (2012 GPF)
FCSp: 3.77 (2012 GPF)
StSq: 5.80 (2012 NHK)
ChSq: 3.70 (2012 GPF, 2013 4CC)
Total TES: 77.37
Thank you very much for your analysis Jiggs and ForeverFish. Nicely done!
I'm interested to see what Ven (or is it Venlac? Are these the same person?) has to say about the results.
Read it again. I specifically say it's not illegal. But Japanese skaters benefit from the homefield advantage when major competitions are hosted in their country. That's not available to skaters from small federations.
There must be something wrong with my reading comprehension then. You started off saying politics and corrupt judging have never helped Yuna....etc etc...who did they help. And your third sentence names Mao. I interpreted that as you saying politics and corrupt judging have helped Mao.
But whatever...
Actually, Mao is going for 3F-3Lo and a solo 3Lo, no 3Lo-2Lo
So instead of 3F = 6.1 and 3Lo-2Lo = 7.5, I'd say it's 3Lo = 6.4 (GPF2012) and 3F-3Lo< = 8.5 (4CC). So her TES is about 1.3 points higher, and her overall score is 224.09. And if Mao would get that 3-3 ratified, it would be 10.4 in BV alone, so again, about 2 points higher.
All of that without thinking about how her PCS would rise if she was clean
Wasn't this three skaters' PCS in FS in 2013 world championship? At that event, Only kim had clean program, and Carolina had fall and a few mistakes, Asada had several mistakes.2.) PCS. While there are bullet points for this, let's face it it can fluctuate greatly. Let's look at what they scored at Worlds.
Yuna
FS: 73.61
Mao
FS: 68.41
Carolina:
FS: 70.63
Wasn't this three skaters' PCS in FS in 2013 world championship? At that event, Only kim had clean program, and Carolina had fall and a few mistakes, Asada had several mistakes.
So, if all go clean, carolina and Asada's PCS would be higher. and difference in PCS will be small
What is really comes down to is two things, even if a skater goes completely clean (i.e. no URs or edge calls etc.)
1.) GOE. That is one of two X factors. A big reason Yuna won by such a huge margin in 2010 (and this year's World) is because of those high GOE.
Let's look at GOE for the competition from the skaters
Yuna
SP 5.16
FS: 16.51
TOTAL: 21.67
Mao
SP: 2.55
FS: 3.66
TOTAL: 6.21
Carolina:
SP: 4.08
FS: 10.59
TOTAL: 14.67
This is a really bad way to present it.
You cannot look at GOE in a lump sum and declare one has better GOE than the other so and so.
For example, Caro's GOE in the SP is 1.08 behind Yuna.
Her 3T-3T carried a -1.7 GOE. If she got 0 GOE on her 3T-3T and Yuna got 0 GOE on her 3F, Caro's GOE would beat Yuna's GOE.
So base on this, how can you say if both are clean, Yuna's GOE is higher?
That's like saying when Usain Bolt is injured, half the field beat him by 20 sec. So when they are all injured free, half the field still beat him because they were 20 sec faster.
I believe Jaylee was talking about how politics helped Mao with respect to the rule changes allowing the 3A, a jump only Mao is currently performing in the SP contrary to standard ISU rule changes and also the reduction in what the absolute GOE is (+3 = +2.1 for triples except 3A)There must be something wrong with my reading comprehension then. You started off saying politics and corrupt judging have never helped Yuna....etc etc...who did they help. And your third sentence names Mao. I interpreted that as you saying politics and corrupt judging have helped Mao.
But whatever...
Maybe, but I don't think it would make up for the massive GOE advantage that Yuna currently has.