Didn't B&K fall on a final lift in the FD?schooner said:Yep, Sale and Pelletier fell in the final pose of their Short Program and Bourne and Kraatz had a horrible fall in the last twenty seconds of their Free Dance.
Verbalgirl77 said:Maybe to you, but the CoP certainly disagrees with you on the lutz issue and on the 2 footing issue. Landing a jump with a bad 2 foot landing does not consitute a successful jump, and I don't think it ever has. This goes for any skater.
Take Weiss. He landed a slightly 2 footed quad at Skate America, and as a result was given credit for a badly executed triple. Underrotated & 2 footed triples get credit as doubles.
And BTW if doublefooted landings would not have counted more than a clean jump with one rotation less - what would have been the reason why most of the skaters rather went for a doublefooted jump than for clean one with one rotation less?
And yes, take Weiss, who almost always doublefoots his quad as a shinning example how doublefooting was marked under the old system - take e.g. his SP at Worlds 2002 in Nagano and look at his marks, as he got almost no deductions for that.
berthes ghost said:There is actually a rule where by judges are allowed to give partial credit for a two-footed jump or one with a turnout on the landing, if the skater has landed the jump cleanly over time in practice and previous comps. It sort of gives the benfit of the doubt to the skaters who have proven that they can land the jump usually, but just happen to have a small mess-up during the comp due to nerves or whatever.
I thought that was part of the act! I remember thinking, brilliant choreography, Lori Nichol strikes again.icewriter said:You're right. Sale and Pelletier fell at the end of their SP going into the final pose.
Evdokia said:Sorry, that must not show anything. There are skaters which can do a 3 lutz in their sleep,
Kwanisqueen81 said:Doing hard elements late in the program DOES prove Stamina.
thvudragon said:Yes, but you must remember, that MK's FW into her triple flip, which was cheated by 1/4, was not as difficult as Irina's (Irina's was clockwise, counter of the CCW direction of her triple flip). Also, every other element of Irina's was far superior to MK's, except the spiral sequence. MK's spins, especially her combo, were much slower, and her jumps were weaker.
Kwanisqueen81 said:As for SLC:
Okay, folks let's say for the sake of arguement that Irina was in first. That doen't mean she would have won the LP. What if Kwan landed her 3-3? what about Cohen? Hughes? Even Maria? We just don't know...