So far Yuna Kim is the only female skater that I've seen that does the most stable-looking lutz and I've never seen her flutzing. Her technique and control is wonderful because she goes into outside edge just right before she jumps.
Park, the other Korean girl, seems to have a very good technique as well. I think she is really good.
I was watching 96 Worlds and 98 US Nationals last night simply because they were great competitions. Watching Worlds and it could be seen on replay, Michelle Kwan had a really beautiful Lutz. She had a great reach with her free leg and went in on a deep outside edge. Michelle and Yuna also have a very straight back position going into their lutzes, which has to help the control factor.
The thing about a lutz is, to fully rotate it on a true outside edge, you need a strong vault from the toe pick. Most female skaters lack this vault, so they have to switch on their inside edge to get their rotation going. If you see most men do a lutz, they pick and go up into the air and then start their rotation, this is what makes the lutz really hard to execute well, because there's the temptation to start the rotation (or rather, counter-rotation to the outside edge) early to ensure you'll rotate the jump. Some of the best lutzers like Ando and Harding, and Ito (and of course Kim), get that initial spring so they don't NEED to switch onto an inside edge to start generating the rotation. They can simply vault into the air and then get into the rotation, which is the proper way to execute a lutz.
How many points do you lose with the flutz?
If the judging panel is skewed, you don't lose any points.
If not, a mandatory -1 or -2 GOE must be applied over the initial GOE given depending on the severity of the flutz. However next season onwards, the judging panel may penalize by giving a 70% base value on a fully rotated flutz (ie 4.2 base value iirc).
Not all flutzes are required to negative.
I was watching 96 Worlds and 98 US Nationals last night simply because they were great competitions. Watching Worlds and it could be seen on replay, Michelle Kwan had a really beautiful Lutz. She had a great reach with her free leg and went in on a deep outside edge. Michelle and Yuna also have a very straight back position going into their lutzes, which has to help the control factor.
Sorry, I know you're an MK fan (I'm a huge MK fan too), but Kwan flutzes quite often. It's not a severe as other skaters, but she transfers onto her inside edge at the last second and certainly doesn't maintain the outside edge that Kim and other true lutzers have.
Well you made it seem that a flutz jump in the positives was egregious. Obviously with the (no sign) calls we're left to speculate but it's not necessarily bad judging as I thought you were implying.If the judging panel is skewed, you don't lose any points.
Well you made it seem that a flutz jump in the positives was egregious. Obviously with the (no sign) calls we're left to speculate but it's not necessarily bad judging as I thought you were implying.