Look for gold for Cohen and Belbin/Agosto!
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In a real world Shawn Sawyer would have been well ahead of Lysacek in the short program, and Lambiel would have been well ahead of Lysacek in the long program. Figure skating is not a real world though, it is a World where a pair team crashes on a move, missed 4 minutes, comes back, misses a few other things, and wins the silver over two stunning performances; it is a World where a team with a male partner with flawed technique comes back after 4 years away, and only 4 months of training and somehow has the best compulsory dances while skating in the Olympics in their own country(what a coincidence), it is a World which has a system inwhich judges no longer have their scores known to the public to "protect" them.
No offense, but your conspiracy theories are ridiculous. Makes absolutely no sense. Of course, given the new system, we'll never know if deals were made behind the scenes. One thing's clear, and that's that the Russians are looking to sweep the golds. What a disappointing Olympics.
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slutskayafan21 said:
No one deserved a medal, not just the U.S. skaters. Not one of the skaters performed an Olympic caliber SP and LP.
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Vash01 said:
We will have to agree to disagree on that point.
This thread has been VERY entertaining I must say! :thumbsup:
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demarinis5 said:
I must agree with you.
None of the performances at Torino 2006 will be remembered years from now like a Torvill & Deans', or the Battle Of the Brians. Yagudin looked like an Olympic Champion on his way to gold, so did Gordeeva & Grinkov.
None of skates I've seen from Torino so far have said 'Olympic Champion' to me. None will in the Ice Dancing, or the Ladie's event either. I am resigned to that eventuality.
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slutskayafan21 said:
It's amazing to me that the Russians win everything and you take Evan's 4th place finish as a sign of corruption? Please.
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Dibs said:
You're right, it is not questionable AT ALL. This coming from someone whos Mom was a gymnastics judge in the past and myself who had really studied the gymnastics COP at that time. Khorkina just made too many mistakes and was even a little overscored on some events. Carly won that fair and square.
But back to the main topic of the thread - if anyone has this medal wrapped up, it is certainly Slutskaya, not Cohen.
I think the poor dear is just confused about SVs in regard to Khorky. Her Athens SVs where comparable to Dawes in Sydney- a nice thought but just not happening. If her vt was questionably scored she received some gifts on the other events to make up for it- but I give her huge kudos for getting that double pike around on FX. I kept thinking it was a face plant waiting to happen and she just willed that thing into being.
And you know what- if you promise to keep Irina and Plushy as a special Russian treat, I say give them the gold and keep them for yourselves. I'll make do with seeing those 'lesser' skaters on tour. The Chinese pairs, B/A, Evan, Sasha and Michelle all on COI- woe is me. How will I endure an evening without 203 Beillman holds and unisex unitards?
And you know what- if you promise to keep Irina and Plushy as a special Russian treat, I say give them the gold and keep them for yourselves. I'll make do with seeing those 'lesser' skaters on tour. The Chinese pairs, B/A, Evan, Sasha and Michelle all on COI- woe is me. How will I endure an evening without 203 Beillman holds and unisex unitards?
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EvanLysacekFan said:
High scors being ignored, can you actually tell me who deserved to win the gold in pairs and mens that didn't? I think most people here agree that both T&M and Plushenko deserved thier gold. I see no corruption here. They won because they simply skated better then others.
Now, I am pleased to see that slutskayafan21 finally stopped his rants about Evan himself paying off the judges and now is focusing only on NBC as being the briber... Surely there is got to be something better to do than post this kind of rubbish under every thread.
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STL_Blues_fan said:
I never said they didn't. But in ice dance....
My point is that this person is obviously a Russian fan and really has no reason to complain. Evan didn't even win a medal. 4th or 50th, it doesn't really matter if you're not in the top 3. And if there WAS corruption, it would have to be concerning the Russians. I mean, look at Plushenko's scores. Yes, he deserved to win, but is there anyone who really thinks he deserved those scores?
There's no real corruption in figure skating (excepting perhaps ice dance which is so questionable), these "errors" are simply human bias.
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I am pulling for Cohen for the Gold, but due to loyalt to D&L - my vote is with them in the dance. I don't think B&A are in the running for a medal at this point. They are ranked in 6th place. But then one never knows with the new judging system. Still I am cheering D&L onto the podium.
Go Cohen, D&L!!!!
Go Cohen, D&L!!!!
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EvanLysacekFan said:
ok, point taken - but since slutskayafan21's rant was about a placement in the event that already took place, I assumed that by corruption you meant the pairs and men's medals. I agree that the margin of the win was high, but I am not a judge notr a tech specialist, so what do I know?
While I do believe there is some very questionable judging going on the ice dance, I never had a problem with a gold winning team's placement, except for maybe the worlds in 2001 (but I had a lot of issues with the pairs there as well). I always felt that the other spots on the podium and below were shady.
Which brings me to B&A. I personally never expected them to medal in Turino. I felt that their silver medal was a gift of sorts since nobody expected them to got to the Olympics. I love B&A, but there is no way you can tell me that they are better than the French (who, I am afraid, are out of the medal contention due to a fall in the compulsories) or Bulgarians (who were injured at 2005 WC). Throw in the mix returning D&V, the Ukranians, much improved Canadians (even though they are "immature and young ", he-he, nice one, Barbara!) ..It would be tough for me to see B&A on the podium in 2006. 2010, most certainly.
However, being in the 6th after the compulsories does not mean that B&A chance of a medal is gone. N&K were 3rd at EC, but they rebounded in OD. There is not much point difference between the top 6 teams so with strong OD and FD, I see no reason why B&A can not move up, the ordinals are gone thankfully. I just expect the other teams to skate even stronger.
JMHO, of course.
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I don't know much about ice dancing, because since B&K retired, I haven't watched it much. I *do* know that I make it a point to watch D&L and B&A because I enjoy them. All the others-- I go get a snack.
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I'm a firm believer in the 'the best skater that night should win" (btw Sasha agrees, too.)
It's always sad when a skater does not skate his/her best or makes a few booboos to lower his/her scores,
I also believe that winning gold at an olympics does not always go to the 'best skater',
Joe
It's always sad when a skater does not skate his/her best or makes a few booboos to lower his/her scores,
I also believe that winning gold at an olympics does not always go to the 'best skater',
Joe
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rob43 said:
Khorkina was also nowhere near as pretty to watch as Carly Patterson that night. Plus Khorky landed with her chest down on her vault and stumbled out of most of her landings in her floor exercise. She was lucky to get the silver medal. Carly was also undermarked on bars and beam, but she won and I'm happy about that.
Paul also deserved his gold medal. The South Koreans were so sloppy and overmarked. They have no sense of bodyline or 12 o'clock handstand positions.
But the only people bitter about them winning are anti-American whiners.
I know. I actually want to see people who know how to skate rather than wobbly biellmanns galore.
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new_europe2006 said:
That is clearly not the truth. Carly was lucky to score in the 9.55 range on bars with all her form breaks, she no way would deserve a score above 9.6. Undermarked on beam? She was getting 9.7+ on beam all Olympics, that is a top score on beam so that is not being undermarked. The idiot Tim Dagget in the booth must have dictated your thinking as most who dont understand a sport too well simply go along with what the commentators say, even when they are full of biases.
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EvanLysacekFan said:
The competition is not over yet, and when you posted this the dance was not over, so how can you say the Russians win everything? The events are not over yet, so you could not have known this, especialy when typed.
Yes I would take a skater with no quad, lesser presentation and overall skating to Lambiel, Buttle, Weir, and Takahashi, and who bombed the short coming as high as 4th as a sign of corruption. Although given your name I suspect you disagree with me on my middle points.
Also are you insinuating the Russians have not deserved their two golds when you typed this? The silver medalists in pairs had a huge crash to start their program and made other errors, even if we ignore the effect the delay had on the impact of their performance, the silver medalist in mens had no triple axel, and several major errors in the long. Of course Russia won the first two golds, they were probably overmarked, but nobody skated well enough to beat them even if the judges had not already probably crowned them pre-event.
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