Track and Field

Olympia · Aug 4, 2012

I think it's time to start a track and field thread. So far I've heard about the Women's 10,000 meters, won by an Ethiopian woman who repeated her feat of 2008. How did I miss that last night? Was it run in the first segment of NBC coverage, which I missed because of a work obligation? In any case I did get to see the men's 10,000 meters, and that was a corker. Did anyone else see it? Let's discuss! Expertise not required.

Tonight I think is the men's 100 meters. Or at least, tonight on NBC is the men's 100 meters. Presumably it's already a fait accompli.

Edit: I just had my first opportunity to watch Oscar Pistorius run. What an impressive moment. Several thoughts came to me (one being admiration for this guy's dedication and athletic skills). I've read about the worries that some people have about whether he has an unfair advantage because his lower legs weigh only about three pounds each, and because of the spring he gets from them. But as I watched, I became aware that whatever edge he has is outweighed by the difficulty of side-to-side balance for him. His prostheses have no pivot ability at all--no ankle, no flexible soles. Not only that, with each strike on the ground, he kind of slide-twists his "foot," which must be a very risky move for his knee joints. I'm also fairly sure he wouldn't be allowed to run in races where the athletes run multiple laps around the track and cluster tightly together, as they do in the 10,000 meter race we just saw. His curved metal prostheses could endanger other runners, or he could easily be tripped up himself.

So I think that although the day may come when there are prosthetics that give their wearers an unfair advantage over unmodified runners, this is not that day, and Pistorius deserves his chance to compete here. Besides the basic fairness of it, I think the inspirational value will be huge, and not just to people like wounded veterans or kids with disabilities, but to everyone.

deedee1 · Aug 5, 2012

In the Swimming thread I thought about asking someone to create a new thread on Track & Field. Thank you so much for that, Olympia!

I plan to wake up at 3:30am for the Men's 100m semi final.

Till then, good night everyone!

snowflake · Aug 5, 2012

A golden on Saturday evening for Great Britain… 3 golds :clap:

Jessica Ennis heptathlon lived up to expectations and almost reached 7 000 points, sooo relieved… "I'm the happiest girl in the world."

Greg Rutherford long jump 6.31.

Mohammed Farah won the 10 000 m race. Tactical race sprinting from behind in the last round. Wife Ryana and daughter Tanja cheering with him in the arena.

Awesome evening. Hard for athletes from other nations because of the audience screaming non stop for like 2 hours. Women's discus Sandra Percovic Croatia got the audience to clap for her and won, 69,11. Ending the evening Fraser-Pryce Jamaica won 100 m, 10,75.

Haven't watched this evening but soon men's 100 meters final

B or B, I bet Bolt.

Mathman · Aug 5, 2012

Olympia said:
I think it's time to start a track and field thread. So far I've heard about the Women's 10,000 meters, won by an Ethiopian woman who repeated her feat of 2008. How did I miss that last night? Was it run in the first segment of NBC coverage, which I missed because of a work obligation?

You missed a great performance! She took off at the end and was the only runner in the wide-angle picture at the tape. :clap:

This was the first track and field event and I think it was shown earlier live, not in the prime time coverage.

ImaginaryPogue · Aug 5, 2012

The 100 m final was insane. 7 runners below 10 seconds, and only Asafa Powell (who pulled up due to injury) was slower. At the 40 m mark, you couldn't tell which of five men would win (so no, not fait accompli). Truly remarkable. Usain Bolt is the greatest sprinter ever. He owns the three fastest times. Sport at it's most purely beautiful. But the race will likely go down even more legendarily than his remarkable Beijing run. I'm hoping he runs 9.5 or less one day.

Olympia · Aug 5, 2012

Thanks for all the reports! I'm sorry I missed the Women's 10,000, but I got to see the end of the Women's Marathon. There was a sort of a sprint at the end, as there was at the end of the Men's 10,000; both were heart-in-mouth exciting.

And I officially adore Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce. They had a little profile of her, and she talked in a voice that was at once demure and amused about growing up in a tough area of Kingston. Once when she was only abut twelve, a man propositioned her. She went and told her mother, and her mother came out of the house with a cutlass. Talk about parental support of athletes! I loved her reaction when she figured out who had won--sprawled right out on the track.

Apparently Jessica Ennis had almost as most pressure on her to win the heptathlon as Australia's Cathy Freeman had in Sidney to win the Women's 400 meters. Such a relief that she won. She sounds like a delightful person, very humble and upbeat. I'm so glad we've gotten to know all these interesting, hardworking athletes.

Glad to hear that a Croatian athlete has won a gold in track and field. Even when Yugoslavia was together, it wasn't what you would call a formidable Olympic power. Croatia by itself has a snowball's chance in the Sahara of winning gold medals, but yippee! It beat the odds.

deedee1 · Aug 5, 2012

ImaginaryPogue said:
The 100 m final was insane. 7 runners below 10 seconds, and only Asafa Powell (who pulled up due to injury) was slower. At the 40 m mark, you couldn't tell which of five men would win (so no, not fait accompli). Truly remarkable. Usain Bolt is the greatest sprinter ever. He owns the three fastest times. Sport at it's most purely beautiful. But the race will likely go down even more legendarily than his remarkable Beijing run. I'm hoping he runs 9.5 or less one day.

I agree. What a race! Can't believe all of 7 runners below 10.00. :eek:

Congratulations to all the medalists! Especially Bolt! :clap:

I am so sad for Asafa Powell, though.
He is a great athlete but he's been always over-shadowed by his countymen for years. This one was supposedly his last chance to compete at the Olympics, right? I SOOOO wished him on the podium...The Goddess of the Olympics (both at Beijing and London) never smiled on him.

janetfan · Aug 5, 2012

ImaginaryPogue said:
The 100 m final was insane. 7 runners below 10 seconds, and only Asafa Powell (who pulled up due to injury) was slower. At the 40 m mark, you couldn't tell which of five men would win (so no, not fait accompli). Truly remarkable. Usain Bolt is the greatest sprinter ever. He owns the three fastest times. Sport at it's most purely beautiful. But the race will likely go down even more legendarily than his remarkable Beijing run. I'm hoping he runs 9.5 or less one day.

Bolt has equaled Carl Lewis as the only man to repeat gold in the 100.

If Bolt can break new ground and do it in the 200 then he might have a claim as the greatest sprinter.

For me it was, is and will always be Jesse Owens who like Lewis not only excelled in the sprints but the long jump.

Congratulations to Bolt and hope he runs his best in the 200.

Olympia · Aug 5, 2012

Jesse Owens wasn't a specialist but a multi-skilled athlete, as was Carl Lewis. Owens probably would have had a longer career except for the suspension of the Olympics during the War. The 1940 and 1944 Games were both canceled. And let's not forget Ralph Metcalfe, another African-American track star who won medals in both the 1932 and 1936 Olympics and had records second only to Owens'. After his athletic career ended, he got a BA and a Master's degree, served in the armed forces in World War II (remember, the forces were segregated in those days, coached track, went into business, and finally served in the U.S. Congress. You could say that Metcalfe was a decathlete in the game of life.

janetfan · Aug 6, 2012

Olympia said:
Jesse Owens wasn't a specialist but a multi-skilled athlete, as was Carl Lewis. Owens probably would have had a longer career except for the suspension of the Olympics during the War. The 1940 and 1944 Games were both canceled. .

Jesse Owens was much more than a great athlete............he transcended his sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quQopJmQry4

Olympia · Aug 6, 2012

Certainly that's true.

In fact, one of the great things about the Olympics is that the Games can serve as a springboard for something greater. My theory is that the discipline and ability to set goals often carries over into other fields of endeavor. (Of course some athletes just get tempted by the perks of celebrity and burn out.) Owens is one of the best-ever examples of this.

janetfan · Aug 6, 2012

Olympia said:
Certainly that's true.

In fact, one of the great things about the Olympics is that the Games can serve as a springboard for something greater. My theory is that the discipline and ability to set goals often carries over into other fields of endeavor. (Of course some athletes just get tempted by the perks of celebrity and burn out.) Owens is one of the best-ever examples of this.

If we look at the context of the times .......:think:
You could say similar things about Joe Louis. Seems impossible for many of us to ever fully understand what the trailblazing African-American athletes had to endure.

In 1955 Jesse was appointed special sports ambassador for USA by President Eisenhower.
Isn't this the same honor most recently given to Michelle

Olympia · Aug 6, 2012

Yes, Joe Louis had a huge effect. The second (I think) Louis-Max Schmeling fight had an impact similar to that of Jesse Owens beating all those German athletes right before Hitler's eyes. Schmeling was also German, a supposedly superior Aryan, and Louis knocked him out in the first round.

And then there's Jackie Robinson. His appearance on the Dodgers' line-up in 1947 was a watershed moment in the civil rights movement. There's a reason sports isn't just a frivolous pastime. People get emotionally involved in sports. If they accept someone on the field of play, they're more likely to accept that person in other arenas of life. About ten years earlier than Robinson's great moment, the NAACP law team led by Thurgood Marshall had integrated the University of Maryland Law School. But what came into people's homes was the radio broadcasts of this incredible ballplayer taking part in one of the sport's legendary teams. He really did pave the way for the advances that came later, and he also participated. He joined many marches and also worked actively to get African Americans chosen as sports team managers, not just as players.

janetfan · Aug 6, 2012

Olympia said:
Yes, Joe Louis had a huge effect. The second (I think) Louis-Max Schmeling fight had an impact similar to that of Jesse Owens beating all those German athletes right before Hitler's eyes. Schmeling was also German, a supposedly superior Aryan, and Louis knocked him out in the first round.

And then there's Jackie Robinson. His appearance on the Dodgers' line-up in 1947 was a watershed moment in the civil rights movement. There's a reason sports isn't just a frivolous pastime. People get emotionally involved in sports. If they accept someone on the field of play, they're more likely to accept that person in other arenas of life. About ten years earlier than Robinson's great moment, the NAACP law team led by Thurgood Marshall had integrated the University of Maryland Law School. But what came into people's homes was the radio broadcasts of this incredible ballplayer taking part in one of the sport's legendary teams. He really did pave the way for the advances that came later, and he also participated. He joined many marches and also worked actively to get African Americans chosen as sports team managers, not just as players.

Usain Bolt's boasting last night "no one will ever beat me" was taken right out of the Muhammed Ali playbook.

Jackie Robinson was chosen by Branch Rickey not just for his skill but for his character.

Branch Rickey knew there were many African -American ballplayers good enough to excel in the big leagues.
But Rickey knew the player he chose would face alot of abuse.

He told Robinson, "anyone can fight back. I need a man strong enough not to fight back."

To me, that is perhaps the most profound statement ever made in the history of American sports.

To get back to 2012 track I hope Bolt is at his best in the 200. It will be historical if he wins it and good for the sport.

As you mentioned earlier, Jesse never had the chance to run in the Olympics again due to WW2.

Jackie Robinson said his greatest sports hero growing up was Jesse Owens (Jackie was an All-American football player and track star at UCLA.

Jackie always said if not for Jesse Owens what he accomplished would not have been possible.

dorispulaski · Aug 6, 2012

One view of the changes in tolerance in the USA is that they are mainly due to WW2. Not only did Hitler give racism & religious intolerance a "bad name", since people saw how intolerance carried to its nth degree into hideous results played out, and did not want to be associated with it any more. Additionally, more than 15 million Americans were in uniform in WW2 and became familiar with people who did not go to their church, & were of differing races & ethnicities. For many Americans, this was their first real contact with people who were not like themselves. As to religion, the chaplain assigned to a unit served not only people of his own faith. Rabbis & priests & ministers became the spiritual support of Protestants, Jews & Catholics in their hardest combat times.

It is striking how quickly change started to come -- the two decades after WW2 gave birth to the most important changes.

Yes, integration of sport was early on. But perhaps the most striking turnaround was done by Harry Truman, who prior to WW2 had given racist/bigoted speeches, who integrated the Armed Forces by Executive Order 9981 in July of 1948.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9981

Buttercup · Aug 6, 2012

Somewhat OT, take a look at the results of the 200m race from the 1936 Olympics. The silver medalist behind Jesse Owens is Jackie Robinson's older brother Mack, himself an accomplished athlete, though obviously not as high profile as either Owens or his younger brother.

What I'm curious about is when did sports in other countries become more integrated. I am of course familiar with Jackie Robinson and Larry Doby in baseball, but what about other sports in other countries?

janetfan · Aug 6, 2012

Buttercup said:
Somewhat OT, take a look at the results of the 200m race from the 1936 Olympics. The silver medalist behind Jesse Owens is Jackie Robinson's older brother Mack, himself an accomplished athlete, though obviously not as high profile as either Owens or his younger brother.

What I'm curious about is when did sports in other countries become more integrated. I am of course familiar with Jackie Robinson and Larry Doby in baseball, but what about other sports in other countries?

That is a good question.
It is interesting for me as an American and football/soccer fan to see the race problems still prevalent in Euro football.

Not to be judgemental here but I might say in America we have a half century head start accepting athletes of all races.

I remember in '98 when France, led by the great Zidane won the World Cup on home soil. It was widely hailed as the new "multi-cultural France and yet "monkee chants" are still heard there on occassion not to mention in most Euro nations other than England.

Whatever we think of sport it has certainly helped and played a key role in breaking down racial barriers.

From what I have gathered not only as a follower of Intl sport, but also as one who spent time as an ex-patriot living in Europe the situation there is still evolving.

But sport is sport and real life is much different. The extreme hatred shown to President Obama by a substancial group of white Americans clearly shows that the idea of a "post racial society" in USA is clearly a myth.

With all the faults we can find with the Olympics, including "NBC as the great Satan" :laugh:

it shows the world still has along way to go.

Has progress been made?
Absolutely.

Is there still a long way to go....yes, yes, yes.

To the Russian and E. Euro fans I say "GO GABBBY!"

And believe it or not most of us here love your girls!
Sometimes there can only be one winner and how we deal with defeat often says more about our character than how we react to victory.

Buttercup · Aug 6, 2012

You present it as if there are no racial/ethnic/religious tensions and problems in the US in general and in US sports in particular, while Europe is some kind of hotbed of racism. You really should know better.

BTW, if we use figure skating as an example, then France probably has the most multicultural and diverse national team.

janetfan said:
That is a good question.
It is interesting for me as an American and football/soccer fan to see the race problems still prevalent in Euro football.

Not to be judgemental here but I might say in America we have a half century head start accepting athletes of all races.

janetfan · Aug 6, 2012

Buttercup said:
You present it as if there are no racial/ethnic/religious tensions and problems in the US in general and in US sports in particular, while Europe is some kind of hotbed of racism. You really should know better.

BTW, if we use figure skating as an example, then France probably has the most multicultural and diverse national team.

In sports here there is very little if any racial problems/tensions in competivie sport. If you actually read my post you would clearly see I state IMO there are still racial problems in USA. (See comments about Obama)

Sorry BC, but the "monkee chants" that are so common in Europe disappereared here MANY decades ago. Like by the end of the 1950's. And sorry, but I can't fail to see with my own eyes and ears the continuing racism that permeates Euro football.

We saw it at the recent Euro cup.

Olympia · Aug 6, 2012

Agreed to both Janetfan and Doris!

I always think of Branch Rickey when I think of that moment in baseball history. He knew he had to choose just the right person, because the effort failed, he wouldn't get another chance any time soon. Even more profound, it was amazing for him to have the vision to take that step at all! Can you imagine how hard it must have been to step outside the comfort zone of the way things had always been? What roused him to that sense of obligation to change the world?

As for World War II, I'd add to your apt explanation that many black men and women also got out and saw the world. Once they had been out of their small towns in Mississippi, Alabama, and so on, even though they served in segregated units, they couldn't stuff themselves back in that box again. They knew what they truly deserved in life, and they knew what they wanted for their children. Two of the movement's leaders who served in the armed forces were Medgar Evers and Hosea Williams. I'm sure there were more.

I agree that Truman was an amazing example of a man who rose to the occasion--way above his original level. Executive Order 9981, integrating the armed forces, was a breathtaking move.

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