Such comments are very interesting: "she will lose all that flexibility and spins when she becomes a lady". WHAT? Whoever says that, have you never seen really flexible people in their twenties and thirties? Who says she will lose them? Jumps, yes, but flexibility no.
Example, Kanaeva who was olympic rhythmic gymnastis champion in 2008 was 18 and was quite petite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys6je5-JxU0
In 2012, she won the olympics with a greater build as she became more curvy. Same flexibility, two-time olympic champion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpySa3pwnV0
Counter example: Caroline Zhang's pearl. Has vanished
Counter example: Caroline Zhang's pearl. Has vanished
sky_fly20 said:they have different style and state of mind, the more I see Julia, she is more of a power skater, she has raw power and reminds me more of Irina Slutskaya
who also was heavily criticized from her early years of her career
Oh yeah, Irina was always so heavily cirtizied for having small jumps...
I don't see that comparison at all, Julia is nothing like Irina with her huge jumps, power and speed.
And this competition is Ashley's to lose. Julia does have a TES advantage, but it's not as great as people make it out to be. Yes, she does 2 lutzes - but the other jump she repeats is the easiest one, the toe-loop. And since combinations aren't rewarded enough under IJS, the only advantage it gives her is another jumping pass for a second 2A. 3.3 points - and not even that, since Ashley is doind two 2A, although on in a 3F-2A sequence. That's not exactly much. Additionally, her program is front-loaded while Ashleys isn't. As long as Ashley hits her spins and gains Lv 4 on all of them, her BV shouldn't be that much less. Given her jumps have better quality, if she's clean, she might even win the TES. At least she's not going to be far behind Julia.
Add to that her rightfully some points higher PCS, and the tale is told... if Ash goes clean, at least.
Oh yeah, Irina was always so heavily cirtizied for having small jumps...
I don't see that comparison at all, Julia is nothing like Irina with her huge jumps, power and speed.
Oh yeah, Irina was always so heavily cirtizied for having small jumps...
I don't see that comparison at all, Julia is nothing like Irina with her huge jumps, power and speed.
And this competition is Ashley's to lose. Julia does have a TES advantage, but it's not as great as people make it out to be. Yes, she does 2 lutzes - but the other jump she repeats is the easiest one, the toe-loop. And since combinations aren't rewarded enough under IJS, the only advantage it gives her is another jumping pass for a second 2A. 3.3 points - and not even that, since Ashley is doind two 2A, although on in a 3F-2A sequence. That's not exactly much. Additionally, her program is front-loaded while Ashleys isn't. As long as Ashley hits her spins and gains Lv 4 on all of them, her BV shouldn't be that much less. Given her jumps have better quality, if she's clean, she might even win the TES. At least she's not going to be far behind Julia.
Add to that her rightfully some points higher PCS, and the tale is told... if Ash goes clean, at least.
No, I think the scores were fair: Julia deserved 1st place, absolutely, but she wasn't underscored at all in the PCS, considering the scores the judges gave to the others (Liza 26.97, for example), I think that just her TR mark could be higher, I agree that difficult movements that require a lot of flexibility are actually difficult transitions, so 6.68 is pretty low, but 6.96 for SS is correct (she doesn't have a good control of her edges yet, she has to do a lot of cross-overs to gain speed, you can really hear the noise of her blades scratching the ice while she's skating), and so are 6.96 and 6.93 for CH and IN. Yes, considering Ashley's 7.71 for PE, Julia maybe deserved something around 7.5, too, so the maximum she could score (for me) was around 28, not more. 63 is a pretty good score and she has to work on the height of her jumps, especially the axel and the lutz/flip, then she'll be able to get +2 or +3 for them.Your in dreamland and your kidding herself. I keep hearing that Wagner looks more polished. Well, the only reason Wagner looks more polished is that she has gone for the same tactic that Kostner deployed last season - to skate clean with watered down content. Her SP had no 3x3 combination, no Lutz, and far easier spins. Of course she skated clean and looked more polished - any half decent skater would with that kind of weak 1980's style content. Julia's program, on the other hand, was far more difficult and she skated clean, apart from an edge call. She should be at least 3 points ahead and was undermarked on her PCS. If both skate, Julia wins and any other result would be a complete scandal of Osmond proportions. It would be time to start questioning the fairness of the Judging and the legitimacy of the sport.
Mao88 said:Your in dreamland and your kidding herself.
Mao88 said:I keep hearing that Wagner looks more polished. Well, the only reason Wagner looks more polished is that she has gone for the same tactic that Kostner deployed last season - to skate clean with watered down content. Her SP had no 3x3 combination, no Lutz, and far easier spins. Of course she skated clean and looked more polished - any half decent skater would with that kind of weak 1980's style content (i.e. your bound to look more elegant when your not trying anything remotely difficult!). Julia's program, on the other hand, was far more difficult and she skated clean, apart from an edge call. She should be at least 3 points ahead and was undermarked on her PCS. If both skate, Julia wins and any other result would be a complete scandal of Osmond proportions. It would be time to start questioning the fairness of the Judging and the legitimacy of the sport. The whole point of COP/IJS was to reward and encourage difficulty - not playing it safe with weak content. Julia is the skater taking the risks and if she skates clean - she should receive the rewards of that (i.e. she wins)
Mao88 said:You delusional troll. It's easy to perform weak content with quality - that's the whole point of rewarding difficulty and it's Julia who is the one who is combining difficulty with quality, not Wagner.
Easier content would not make Julias SS better. Nor would it make her listen to her music instead of skating right through it.
Easier content would not make Julias SS better. Nor would it make her listen to her music instead of skating right through it.
Easier content would not make Julias SS better. Nor would it make her listen to her music instead of skating right through it.
She is a child.A very good and promising skater.So stop, please. Where was Ashley 2-3 years ago?Nowhere. And look at her now - a top contender everywhere, a great performer...The thing is that everything comes with age and experience.Right now I admire Julia's great spirit and tech difficulty. I believe she'll progress during her life in other aspects of skating.
Well, the only reason Wagner looks more polished is that she has gone for the same tactic that Kostner deployed last season - to skate clean with watered down content. Her SP had no 3x3 combination, no Lutz, and far easier spins.
Julia's program, on the other hand, was far more difficult and she skated clean, apart from an edge call. She should be at least 3 points ahead and was undermarked on her PCS. If both skate clean, Julia wins and any other result would be a complete scandal of Osmond proportions. It would be time to start questioning the fairness of the Judging and the legitimacy of the sport. The whole point of COP/IJS was to reward and encourage difficulty - not playing it safe with weak content. Julia is the skater taking the risks and if she skates clean - she should receive the rewards of that (i.e. she wins)