If what you say is true, then it's even more evident that their 'tanos should not receive extra GOE. I've said it before: figure skating is two parts--is it beautiful? is it difficult? There's nothing beautiful about a million repetitive 'tanos in one program, and if there's nothing difficult about it either, it's pretty ridiculous to give Sima and Evgenia +2 when even Liza sometimes only gets +2.To address the tano complaints I made a quick jumpamatron video of Sima's 3Lz Tano from the SP. I think it shows how she actually uses the arm to get a greater height and have better control. Judge for yourself but IMO she is using it as more than just a point getter but instead as part of her jump mechanics.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7W7uMvdE7w
If what you say is true, then it's even more evident that their 'tanos should not receive extra GOE. I've said it before: figure skating is two parts--is it beautiful? is it difficult? There's nothing beautiful about a million repetitive 'tanos in one program, and if there's nothing difficult about it either, it's pretty ridiculous to give Sima and Evgenia +2 when even Liza sometimes only gets +2.
There are many things to like about Evgenia and Sima, but I've yet to see one convincing argument in favour of the 'tano. (Though I'm all ears if you're willing to provide one, Sam).
If what you say is true, then it's even more evident that their 'tanos should not receive extra GOE. I've said it before: figure skating is two parts--is it beautiful? is it difficult? There's nothing beautiful about a million repetitive 'tanos in one program, and if there's nothing difficult about it either, it's pretty ridiculous to give Sima and Evgenia +2 when even Liza sometimes only gets +2.
There are many things to like about Evgenia and Sima, but I've yet to see one convincing argument in favour of the 'tano. (Though I'm all ears if you're willing to provide one, Sam).
But those things you named aren't worth points. They're not explicitly rewarded in the ISU rulebook as a "variation," and judges are free to give or take away points (in CH, P/E, INT, ect.) based on how it benefited/didn't benefit the program.Honestly Tano's don't bother me at all and I think the one from Sima's Jumpamatron is gorgeous to watch in motion. To me that is a positive GOE jump before factoring in any edge calls(she got a ! for that one BTW). I don't see the point in restricting them any more than I see a point in requiring them. Let people skate how they want. I also don't care either way if you score them extra points or not. TBH I don't even know why they receive extra GOE anyway. :confused2: But the jumps don't bother me. There are aspects to skating that I don't like.....blowing kisses, wiggling around and being flirty, butt-kissing the crowd stuff and general over emoting.....but I'd hardly ever care enough to ask for it to be reduced or eliminated.
Did you happen to catch the explanation Zhenia and Sima gave in the presser yesterday about how the Tano's help them to gain air position? They used their arms and shoulders to make a motion that makes perfect sense as to why someone would do it. They also said they don't feel comfortable doing the jumps anymore so expect them to continue I don't care if they stop awarding points for Tano's but the technique is not as bad as some people make it out to be. To tell you the truth....I love seeing all the tano drama. The things that upset skating fans just never cease to amaze/amuse me.
This tano drama kills me.
Visually I don't mind them- at all. Getting high GOE for them or sacrificing jump quality to perform them, I do mind. But that is case-by-case. And limiting them to once or twice a program? I can't believe this is even an argument. There are a dozen other things the ISU needs to work on before even considering imposing a restriction on lifting your arms above your head.
Oh, so was I supposed to have read/watched her commentary in order to understand what she's trying to on the ice?!There is a story behind Serafima's routines and she has already stated what they are in detail. I think she expresses the story perfectly and it has only gotten better since her first competition. I see nothing behind Wakaba's skating except speed and skill. You need more than that obviously to beat Sima and Zhenya.
I wonder how people could put so much attention to tano , when I watched them I almost didn't care about tano at all but other details.
Btw, Sotskova is lovely, I hope she has better year and music cut next season.
And Elizabet TURSYNBAEVA
The exhibition showed that Wakababy can be really artistic and beautiful, she just needs the right choreography:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jyAkmGT8Pk
Figure skating is two parts: Is it beautiful? is it difficult?
Oh, so was I supposed to have read/watched her commentary in order to understand what she's trying to on the ice?!
I agree with yyyskate that not all programs/choreograpgy are about telling a story, and they certainly don't have to be. They do, however, all need to *interpret* the music.
You are missing my point. I was pointing out that one should not have to know in advanced, through reading commentary or detailed explanation on what the skater is trying to do / portray in order to "get" or appreciate their actual performance. That's not what performance art is really about. But I don't have a problem with skaters explaining the idea behind their program as it usually enhances the impression when you watch the actual performance.I'm sure most people would consider telling a story set to music to be interpreting the music. It might not be to your expectation, pleasure, or standards but its still an interpretation. One that some may even find to be compelling.