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I wrote: Ruslan was a leader in a couple like Nikita...
You missed the point. I was talking about choreography.
Nikita is a leader, I never put this in question, I wrote that he never played the main role in Morozov’s programs. That is different. Even under Zhulin Schindler’s List was quite equal, but at the end it went to Lena, she was the one who made final point and put herself in spotlight when she was shoot to death. Ballet Don Quijote was made in way you, Alba, decribed, a ballet dancer - man presenting his ballerina. But under Morozov? Where he was the main person? Where he presented his character in the main role. Yes, a man have to present his lady, which Nikita is very very good and detailed in, but in a moment when a man plays the main role, he also presents him part of story like the main character. For example Spartacus by Domnina & Shabalin, a program where Spartacus was the main, and Shabalin was the main character there plus he presented his lady. He was the one where choreography was turned to him. The same with Zhiganshin and Phantom of the Opera. Platov in Arabian dance. It doesn’t mean that lady should be forgotten, no way, the the choreohraphy is turned to man, a lady is working on him as well. Where do you see Lena presenting Nikita like the main character? Nowhere. She is the main in Ave Maria playing the angel and Nikita is presenting her. She is the main in Ghost story and Nikita is her partner. And she is the main in Swan Lake and Nikita presents her. She is always standing in the middle of the ice and posing for judges and Nikita is skating around her and rising his arms to her – this is not about him, but about her. That is choreographic idea. Morozov presented a Diva, Nikita presented a Diva, shich means that Nikita never played a main role in all programs, no matter that he is a leader and lead her lady throught steps.
Paso Doble is about passion, Nikita is dynamic, not passionate, Paso Doble is about a man who is the main in this dance and lady accompanies him, so no real Diva here, the man is the main...Nikita is not used that all choreography is about him mainly....that is what I wrote about. Look at Paso Doble of Domnina & Shabalin, Belbin & Agosto, Virtue & Moir...the man was the main...and all of these men are naturally passionate, while Nikita will have to learn to be passionate dancer.
Sisinka, please try to be more concise. It's difficult to reply to long comments.
If it's about choreo, it's a different matter. That's the choreo.'s job, but in no way Nikita looked the servent of Elena when skating together. Shabalin might have been the main character but tbh I was always looking at Domnina myself. With Platov was even more clear to me who was wearing the pants in that couple. I thought you were talking about image, interpretation.
Nikita might not be passionate to you but I think differently. We might have a different view of what passion is. I don't know.
Krylova, Annisina, Navka, Domnina – an examples of passionate dancers.
If you look at passionate dance – Latin Dance which was in 2011/12 season like SD, you will see that Lena is sexy and smooth but not passionate, the final fast part is too fast for her and smooth moves are not enought. Nikita is more dynamic, but it was not passionate as well. The same with Tango part in 2010/11 SD, Nikita’s moves are more dynamic and Lena’s more smooth….this is not passion, where you have to keep tension in whole body plus movement must be still fast – watch Domnina & Shabalin’s Tango, Navka’s Carmen, also Weaver’s movements in Tango FD were passionate, but not Lena’s movements.
Also this season I&K's programs are smooth in moves but not passionate. Facial expression is passionate, but this is not dancing.
What can I say? I totally disagree. That's not the way I see or feel her when she dances.
Victoria is not passionate as well, she is more cold in facial expression (which I personally don’t mind because I always mainly watch movements and dancing).
Dancing is not only about that, it's not just a mechanic thing. Otherwise it's just gymnastics.
I think her facial expression here is as much important, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T2UeKKac-s
Russia and Russian World – it is all about a men, men and men…with one exception…Tarasova. But the man is always plaing the main role and have the biggest and the lastest world. In this world which is fully about a men 18 years old Sinitsina comes and manipulates 1) Nikita to skate with her, 2) Morozov to train them, 3) Zueva to train them in case that Morozov will not be allowed, 4) Russian Federation (all men there) to allow her to split two of three best Russian couples, 5) and she also manipulates Lena to say that it was all Nikita’s idea…sorry, this is so fantastic idea that I don’t believe it
Yes I agree. It's a fantastic idea and I don't belive it too. There is a small problem though. This is not what I suggested, so what are you talking about? This is not about manipulation. To want to skate with your partner in life as well, which happens to be one of the best as well it's very normal. She is a strong skater to, so why do you call it a manipulation? If I was her I would do that in a bit. Ilia left her partner and went to skate with her partner in life and she was a much weaker skater. There are other examples like that. Nothing wrong with that tbh. In fact, if that's the reason I can understand him and her very well. Unless of course Nikita couldn't stand Elena anymore and I would understand him in that case as well. Although I disagree with his methods.
Like many coaches and skaters noted, they are one big family. Partners in dance couples know everything about themselves. They know even very personal things about themselves, because you simply can’t avoid knowing it spending so much time together. If a partner has relationship, his ice girl is one of first to know, so if there was a relationship between Nikita and some girl, Lena would be the first to know sooner or later even in moment when would Nikita tried to hide it. And if that girl would be a skater, Lena would know it from other skaters in few days after a relationship was started.
Who said she doesn't know? Maybe she knows that but she didn't want to spea about that.
If Lena told: “His possible personal relations…“ it means she didn’t know about relationship with Viki or any other girl…which is strange, like his ice partner, she would know for sure if there would be some relationship.
It was not Elena who said that but Vaytsekhovskaya. I was analysing Vaytsekhovskaya words not Elena's.
Somebody also saw Lena and Nikita kissing in backstage around or after the Olympics, it would be hardly possible to do than having relationship with anyone else, no?
OMG I don't belive this. What do you mean she kissed? What kind of kiss? She kissed Nikita and she kissed Morozov as well, anyone else? What are you suggesting, that she was having a relationship with Nikita or that she was spleeping with both of them?
There is also a video where Nikita takes some older showbusiness star into a car in late night from some of the parties after the Olympics, well, we are all adult ones (I hope), so we are not going to play this “he was just taking her home and they talked only“ game.
I really don't know, I was not following them. I don't think that everywoman which goes into his car sleep with him though, if that's what you are asking me.
Would he do it having a relationship?
Mmmmh yes. I've seen people doing worse being in a relationship, and I think we both live on this planet to know that.
There is not even one picture with Viki together (because forum members would post it for sure), even now, when all people discuss their possible relationship there is no picture together, even from Viki’s birthday. While Lena and Ruslan are not dating, but Ruslan was invited at Lena’s birthday, they have pictures together from that party, pictures together from gym. Yes, Nikita probably wants to protect him personal life, that is why he posted shirtless picture to let whole world see his body…
That means nothing. They might have their reasons to keep it secret, for the moment. In anycase, I didn't say I'm sure about it.
I said "If she really is in relationship with him", but for the moment I more inclined to belive a source like Vaytsekhovskaya than all our (or other fans) theories here.
As I said, there are two options here based on what Vaytsekhovskaya was saying. a) It was Victoria. or b) it was somebody else.
Who's this somebody else, I don't know. I don't even have a theory at this point.
I think a lot of people think it was Mozorov.
Yes, at the beginning but now I'm not so sure about that. For what purpose? And if what siskina was reporting from some other russian forums is true, that he is still with Elena, can you see that happening? I don't think so.
You know how much I dislike him for his involvement with his student, but the more I read about this the more he looks like the scapegoat.
I know for sure that Zueva was talking about this with other people in Sochi. What she said then happend exactly in april.
I'm not convinced that Morozov is that stupid to tell her everything in such advance. Who knows though, maybe they are such a good friends, but to me is suspicious that they ended up guess with whom? Zueva.