i am not used to reading protocols and I am definitely confused. Yu-Na's 1Lz got a -3 from all of the judges, but it only got a -0.30 GOE. Is there something that I am missing?
Judging from SP score, I debt Mao would never win even if she landed 3A and 3-3combos
Everybody is entitled their own opinion.
It shouldn't matter if the competition Olympics or GPF, these are international competitions if judges have certain inclination which certainly lot of us who are watching can't understand (which are not consistent with other results) the popularity of the sport will suffer.
As far as 2002 scandal i don't fully believe their was a scandal, i always enjoyed B/S more than S/P.
The fact that we have to wait for protocols to try to understand this result is what is wrong with the current scoring system. The audience watching the skating live isn't looking at and analyzing protocols... They see the performance on the ice, and the performance is what should determine the results, not some number crunching. I don't think it should matter that Yu-Na's 3-3 was credited and Mao's was not... Yu-Na missed a major element while Mao completed all the elements. We need a scoring system that can reflect this.
i am not used to reading protocols and I am definitely confused. Yu-Na's 1Lz got a -3 from all of the judges, but it only got a -0.30 GOE. Is there something that I am missing?
ITA!! I am neither Yuna nor Mao fan, but I think that in the situation: popped jump vs. URed jump in combo (so the 3-2 combo was still there) and with two comparable programs when it comes to quality of elements etc., Mao should have been placed 1st. This would also made sense for a casual fan.
Yukari got ! on her flip at this time. She got ! on her lutz at other times. She does not seem to have very good edge control on these jumps. Mao's lutz is always on the edge, whether it's true lutz or changed into flutz at the last minute. But Yukari's lutz and flip are similar to Fumie's lutz in a sense that the edge is wobbly. To me, her flip in the slow-mo looked like starting with the outside and changed into the inside although it may have looked different from another angle.
I just can't figure out how come a person with both lip and flutz:scratch:
Addition: I think it reasonable for a skater to get high PCS when he/she lacks/misses some elements, e.g. Mao's LP in 2008 worlds. But the case is that, Mao did performed better in that particular LP than in any other competitions though she fell on that 3A(2A).......
so here comes my question, how can judges gave such a high PCS to a relatively worse performance of Miss KIM?? That means from the beginning of this season, she was undermarked for many times......
there must be something wrong with this judging system
The fact that we have to wait for protocols to try to understand this result is what is wrong with the current scoring system. The audience watching the skating live isn't looking at and analyzing protocols... They see the performance on the ice, and the performance is what should determine the results, not some number crunching. I don't think it should matter that Yu-Na's 3-3 was credited and Mao's was not... Yu-Na missed a major element while Mao completed all the elements. We need a scoring system that can reflect this.
I think it reasonable for a skater to get high PCS when he/she lacks/misses some elements, e.g. Mao's LP in 2008 worlds. But the case is that, Mao did performed better in that particular LP than in any other competitions though she fell on that 3A(2A).......
so here comes my question, how can judges gave such a high PCS to a relatively worse performance of Miss KIM?? That means from the beginning of this season, she was undermarked for many times......
there must be something wrong with this judging system
In spite of her popped lutz, I don't think 'Miss Kim" (as you say)'s performance was one of her worst, who says? it's all subjective, isn't it? For example, I don't quite agree that Mao's PCS in her 2008 worlds LP was deserved, given how she hung out there for almost a minute doing nothing after her fall. That interlude really killed the program for me, whereas Yuna's popped lutz was not disruptive for the overall program in the same way.
As for Mao, she seems to be finally getting somewhere with her new SP. At least for me personally, it was becoming more 'understandable'; I mean I could finally understand what this program, as a choreographical ensemble, was "trying to be." And she made fewer obvious mistakes, although not perfect. So, good for her. But, her program is still just too bland, and personally, I really can't compare it to Yuna's gripping, kickass program, that gives me goose bumps all over again. Frankly, I think Yuna could have gotten more than 65.94, even with the singled lutz. Like, I don't see why she got level 3 on her spiral, for example.
Well, I think falling on a jump should affect PCS more seriously than popping because it badly cuts the overall flow. Mao's 2008 LP was particularly so. She did almost nothing for 20 seconds after such a big fall.
As for the Yu-Na's performance today, I don't think it was relatively worse. Compared with SA, her 3F-3T was more spectacular (all judges except one gave +2 GOE), 2A was clean and her spins were improved a lot.
1. so you think stop the music and start again would be a better choice?
2. if you try to bind the tes and the pcs as a whole, then I would prefer her sp in SA, especially the 2A was nearly perfect in SA, say the time she landed the 2A harmonized with the stress of her music, which impressed me a lot
This I may agree. But, as far as I understand, PCS is not a score to measure a skater's sprit towards the sport.Even though I have no sense to most of Mao's performance, I still regard this as one of her best, not for the elements or so, but for her spirit towards this sport.
This I may agree. But, as far as I understand, PCS is not a score to measure a skater's sprit towards the sport.