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OT -- Good to see you back posting, Ant. I was just about to start a thread, "Where's Antman?"I think it was Betty Callaway...
OT -- Good to see you back posting, Ant. I was just about to start a thread, "Where's Antman?"I think it was Betty Callaway...
But the cool thing about Wikipedia is, when you find out the information that is missing, you can write an article about it for the next person!...wikipedia failed as usual...
OT -- Good to see you back posting, Ant. I was just about to start a thread, "Where's Antman?"
Ant, thanks, I'm aware of Betty being TD's coach
I meant the coach/coaches who trained all those English teams _before_ the 70th. Well, Lawrence Demmy, Courtney Jones, Towler/ Ford... Who was their coaches? wikipedia failed as usual...
you're right Tonichelle Peggy Fleming, John Curry, Dorothy Hamill, Robin Cousins, Jill Trenary, and also Scott, Paul Wylie and Nicole Bobek for some parts of their carrears
Meanwhile wasn't Karen Cadavy his student too?
I often wonder if some of these wonderful coaches stole other peoples skaters. Maybe a coach spotted a skater an approached them. I can't help but be curious about that. I noticed some coaches seem very protective of their skaters.
One tiny correction - Kulik trained under Kudryavtsev, not Mishin; I'd say that Kudryavtsev is even more of a technical coach then Mishin.TT is more of an artistic/presentation specialist and she was lucky to have Kulik and Yagudin approach her once they had mastered the most difficult technical elements under Mishin. There is no questioning that both had and kept those technical skills as taught to them by Mishin, but it is also undisputable that their artistic and presentation skills a are very much TT and not Mishin.
In addition to what Ant already said - there is also a financial side involved. In the States, coaches are generally well compensated; therefore, "loosing" a skater may not be quite such a big deal. In Russia, OTOH, coaches often work almost for nothing while they are preparing the skater; the only way they can make money is if their skaters hit it big. Then, they understandably feel devastated when their skaters leave for other coaches - after spending much time and effort, they are left literally with nothing. In Russia, this is the fate of several coaches, especially the Kudryatsevs and the Velikovs. No wonder the latter hate the Moskvins as much as they do!I often wonder if some of these wonderful coaches stole other peoples skaters. Maybe a coach spotted a skater an approached them. I can't help but be curious about that. I noticed some coaches seem very protective of their skaters.
One tiny correction - Kulik trained under Kudryavtsev, not Mishin; I'd say that Kudryavtsev is even more of a technical coach then Mishin.
Not in the days of the Soviets. Skaters and coaches were priviledge citizens. Most of the gold medals should be credited to the Soviet System which lasted until Torino. Am I correct?One tiny correction - Kulik trained under Kudryavtsev, not Mishin; I'd say that Kudryavtsev is even more of a technical coach then Mishin.
In addition to what Ant already said - there is also a financial side involved. In the States, coaches are generally well compensated; therefore, "loosing" a skater may not be quite such a big deal. In Russia, OTOH, coaches often work almost for nothing while they are preparing the skater; the only way they can make money is if their skaters hit it big. Then, they understandably feel devastated when their skaters leave for other coaches - after spending much time and effort, they are left literally with nothing. In Russia, this is the fate of several coaches, especially the Kudryatsevs and the Velikovs. No wonder the latter hate the Moskvins as much as they do!
Sort of. Most of what made elite athletes privileged is the ability to travel abroad; this gave them access to goods that could be resold back home at a handsome profit. The thing is, if you coach someone who is then "stolen" by another coach - that other coach is the one who gets to travel to competitions. And, of course, there are cases like Mishin - he was not allowed to travel abroad for years (and then was allowed to travel but only to the Soviet block countries) after a denunciation.Not in the days of the Soviets. Skaters and coaches were priviledge citizens. Most of the gold medals should be credited to the Soviet System which lasted until Torino. Am I correct?