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Thoughts on New guidelines for GOE and Levels of difficulty for 2009-10 Season
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Musicality is very mathematical. Timing and Rhythm are quantifyable, but you don't want these poor youngsters to learn piano 101.
First thing I note is that the reduction for "underrotated" under jumps is -1 to -3, but it's in the column for reductions that don't have to result in the final GOE being negative.
ETA: Also, I see that judges will not be shown the < sign for downgrades, so if they don't see the underrotation and the jump looks good they don't have to take any reduction at all. The only penalty would be in the downgrade from the tech panel.
Meantime, what is an unclear edge at take-off? Is it something a judge may have seen but the Tech Panel did not?
If I wanted to take the time to read and digest everything listed and all the background information related to how each would,could,should be applied I might become more understanding and conversant in this detailed scoring system. Regardless, I continue to fathom how any judge can absorb, and retain all this and then apply said info to the judging of each skater during a program? I simply believe it is all too technical and all too encompassing for any one human to utlize with any semblence of accuracy.
The more they adapt, add, subtract or revise this system the more overbearing it becomes.
BAH HUMBUG! It needs simplification not increased mechanization!
Regardless, I continue to fathom how any judge can absorb, and retain all this and then apply said info to the judging of each skater during a program?
BAH HUMBUG! It needs simplification not increased mechanization!
it is all too technical and all too encompassing for any one human to utlize with any semblence of accuracy.
The more they adapt, add, subtract or revise this system the more overbearing it becomes.
It doesn't help when changes are made after every season. Judges would actually remember the rules if they stayed the same long enough for them to digest it.
That would be a 6.0 where the judges and other officials are overseen by an independent authority that actually keeps them fair...
If you mean landing a jump on the swell of the music as in Nessum Dorme, then one has to Time the Jump to the Rhythm of the music. Not easy. Anything can happen in figure skating and it usually does.I think timing and musicality is quantifiable and precise during compulsory dances but not necessarily when a judge is determining whether or not the placement of a jump fits the music. It might be pretty obvious when a triple Lutz fits a crescendo but at other times it can be up to the judge's personal opinion.
I have to agree. While I can understand most of it, I also understand that the general public will never get it. It is truly an 'insider' sport. How many 'new fans' are willing to learn all these intracacies? and to 'old' fans who can easily tell who should be the winner without all this mechanization.If I wanted to take the time to read and digest everything listed and all the background information related to how each would,could,should be applied I might become more understanding and conversant in this detailed scoring system. Regardless, I continue to fathom how any judge can absorb, and retain all this and then apply said info to the judging of each skater during a program? I simply believe it is all too technical and all too encompassing for any one human to utlize with any semblence of accuracy.
The more they adapt, add, subtract or revise this system the more overbearing it becomes.
BAH HUMBUG! It needs simplification not increased mechanization!
And a super independent authority that keeps the independent authority fair.
If you mean landing a jump on the swell of the music as in Nessum Dorme, then one has to Time the Jump to the Rhythm of the music. Not easy.
if a skater is portraying an Opera or Ballet character, that character does not do a triple salchow on stage.Best to just use the music without the story.
Is it just me or should after this several skaters get +2 on nearly every jump (let's say - Johnny, e.g.).3) varied position in the air / delay in rotation
4) good height and distance
5) good extension on landing / creative exit
6) good flow from entry to exit including jump combinations / sequences
7) effortless throughout
Hehh? What exactly do they mean?1.2. [...] In throw jumps it includes turning of the Man on the ice before throwing the Lady in the air.
I really don't think the judges can consider all these points at once. A Joubert and a Chan will always get more +2s for a rather average jump than Obscure Skater No.43 for an excellent jump.