page 4, CaroLiza_fan was super-fastis it possible to have the final standings (short and free combined)? I looked at the ISU page and they only give the segment standings
page 4, CaroLiza_fan was super-fast
Wow-wow-wow!
CaroLiza_fan!
Are we going to use this (last year's) scoring system for the teams, too. If so, Russia would be in 1st place:
56 Russia
54 USA
50 Japon
41 Canada
39 China
30 France
if I calculated right.
Just curiosity, and some self-interest (I have Russia as a team in 1st )
I put Russia top as well, so I would love to do it like this. :agree:
However, since the ISU are doing it a different way this year, I suppose we should do it their way as well. :disapp:
But, thank you so much for showing us the difference changing the scoring system has made to the results!
*cough* FIX *cough*
CaroLiza_fan
I put Russia top as well, so I would love to do it like this. :agree:
However, since the ISU are doing it a different way this year, I suppose we should do it their way as well. :disapp:
But, thank you so much for showing us the difference changing the scoring system has made to the results!
*cough* FIX *cough*
CaroLiza_fan
How was the fix in? This event has been around way longer then the team competition at the Olympics and the rules are the same as they were back in 2009 at the 1st WTT.
How was the fix in? This event has been around way longer then the team competition at the Olympics and the rules are the same as they were back in 2009 at the 1st WTT.
very interesting to add up ALL scores… and also I liked the formula one ideasSorry, I couldn't resist playing devil's advocate.
I was just implying that they changed the rules to try and get a different result this year, as the results are so similar every time it is run.
Until this year, it has been the same 3 teams on the podium every WTT. And, apart from 2012 (when it was Japan from America from Canada), every year America wins, and Japan comes 3rd.
So, I reckon the ISU changed the scoring system slightly just to try to mix things up a bit. And, to a certain extent, it did, because Russia got on the podium instead of Canada.
But, they could have gone further.
A few months ago, I did a investigation to see what past WTT results would have been like if it was done by adding up the scores. And, the resultant standings for each running were very interesting...
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...turn-in-2018&p=1023335&viewfull=1#post1023335
I'll probably do the same for this year's WTT results at some stage. But, I don't have the time to do it just at the moment.
CaroLiza_fan
I put Russia top as well, so I would love to do it like this. :agree:
However, since the ISU are doing it a different way this year, I suppose we should do it their way as well. :disapp:
But, thank you so much for showing us the difference changing the scoring system has made to the results!
*cough* FIX *cough*
CaroLiza_fan
I have no skin in the game, but I don't see a fix at all. The results were still quite close the other way. Basically USA men and dance and Russia ladies and pairs did better the other way. Under the new system the only difference was that Pairs were tied.
I agree the bigger loser in the format was Canada. Basically they won pairs, was second in ice dance while Japan was last in both and basically won cause of men and ladies.
Consider that Nam, who placed 6th and 7th and Gabrielle who placed 8th got fewer points than Japan finishing last.
I have no skin in the game, but I don't see a fix at all. The results were still quite close the other way. Basically USA men and dance and Russia ladies and pairs did better the other way. Under the new system the only difference was that Pairs were tied.
I agree the bigger loser in the format was Canada. Basically they won pairs, was second in ice dance while Japan was last in both and basically won cause of men and ladies.
Consider that Nam, who placed 6th and 7th and Gabrielle who placed 8th got fewer points than Japan finishing last.
I don't know the history of WTT, but why only Japan footing up the price money of $1million?
I have no skin in the game, but I don't see a fix at all. The results were still quite close the other way. Basically USA men and dance and Russia ladies and pairs did better the other way. Under the new system the only difference was that Pairs were tied.
I agree the bigger loser in the format was Canada. Basically they won pairs, was second in ice dance while Japan was last in both and basically won cause of men and ladies.
Consider that Nam, who placed 6th and 7th and Gabrielle who placed 8th got fewer points than Japan finishing last.
I was always under the impression that the Japanese Federation and/or the host broadcaster were actually promoting the competition in conjunction with the ISU. But, I could be wrong.
I concede, it wasn't a fix. As a fan of Team Russia, I was just venting my frustrations that they didn't win.
But, I did want it to start people thinking about the implications of this change of scoring format. Which it has.
Mrs. P and 4everchan have both made some very good points (EDIT: as has xibsuarz, whose comment was posted while I was writing this). With their results in each category, Canada should have done better overall Team Scoring. But the Scoring system did not allow them. And the fact that the scoring system did not reflect how well Canada did is a sign that it is not serving its purpose.
Although, I have to admit, I am not too sure about 4everchan's idea for each country to have 6 entries altogether, and be able to vary how they are allocated amongst the 4 categories. I do understand the reasoning, but to me, this would be unfair as well.
It is tricky to work out the best format for a competition like this. But, I do think this year's results show that this year's format is not the answer.
But, let's get back to the topic of this thread (the Predcitions Game).
Perhaps this discussion about the format of the WTT could be moved to a more appropriate thread (the General Info thread might be a good option).
CaroLiza_fan
if another country wants to foot the bill, other than Japan, they can set the format and hold the event in their country, and put up the prize money. Canada could do two pairs and two dance. Russia could do two ladies and two pairs. In fact that would be a fun change.
While olympic team event is serious, WTT is a high quality cheesefest, about prizes, fun and silliness, with some great skating thrown in.
Canada will add synchro… and each of the 16 skaters will earn 12 points. it should take care of getting the gold
don't forget Russia's Team Paradise they had a good season