A very good post even if it is poorly received by the CoP devotees.
Miki is a truly great CoP skater and has won more world championships than Yuna.
Olympic champion Evan Lysacek is another great CoP skater.
Those not happy with the current rules need not worry as they will be changed again for next season and most likely for every season.
Under the CoP being able to adapt to never ending rule changes is very important.
The skating itself has become secondary to the rules and the abilty to change with them from season to season.
If anyone is a great COP skater, it's Yuna. This year, she chose to have the WC be her first competition of the season and unsurprisingly, she wasn't perfect. And yet, she barely lost the gold to Miki. If she had been perfect - or even a little less flawed - she would have obliterated the competition as usual. It's hard for me to see the case that anything about COP that truly disfavors Yuna at this point.
I know this wasn't the point of your post and I generally agree with point of your post ....
.... But are we forever going to have to hear that Miki is a 2-time world champion and Yuna isn't?
Sigh. Yuna's Olympic Gold medal plus WC championship trumps the two WC golds from Mao and Miki IMO. That, plus the fact that Yuna has medaled at the last FIVE worlds - something that Mao and Miki have failed to do.
If anyone is a great COP skater, it's Yuna. This year, she chose to have the WC be her first competition of the season and unsurprisingly, she wasn't perfect. And yet, she barely lost the gold to Miki. If she had been perfect - or even a little less flawed - she would have obliterated the competition as usual. It's hard for me to see the case that anything about COP that truly disfavors Yuna at this point.
Just saying.
It is how I feel about Racahel and Mirai. Even if Rachael manages to score more points than Mirai there is little doubt in my mind which girl is easily the superior all around skater.
The point of my post(s) was not to knock Yuna but the CoP as well as ISU politics.
I thought Yuna showed better all around skating than Miki at the WC despite it being her first event of the season and would have placed her first.
mathman's point about not liking Miki but liking the CoP is quite astute..
Miki under Morozov is very much a CoP skater. So is Yuna but she offers more IMO.
I like both girls but think Yuna is clearly the superior skater.
It is how I feel about Racahel and Mirai. Even if Rachael manages to score more points than Mirai there is little doubt in my mind which girl is easily the superior all around skater.
CoP was supposed to emphasize and promote better all around skating.
Instead what we see is an exaggerated manipulation of the system that is not about better all around skating but is primarily about who can score the most points by whatever means.
It has just about killed the sport in USA and that is why we don't see much of it on TV anymore.
It has just about killed the sport in USA and that is why we don't see much of it on TV anymore.
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It has just about killed the sport in USA and that is why we don't see much of it on TV anymore.
It was on its way out in popularity long before the CoP
It was on its way out in popularity long before the CoP
I still think it's not totally fatal, just look at figure skating's popularity in Japan and Korea. A sufficiently dominant and charismatic skater can make people ignore/overlook the score and just enjoy the performance. Mao and Yuna are particularly influential for figure skating in that they draw in a lot of young audiences in their respective countries, which is critical for its long-term success. What the US needs is its own figure skating celebrity like Mao and Yuna, like Michelle used to be. That, more than anything---more than even an instant change into a perfectly fair judging system---would pull in more fans and aspiring skaters into the sport.
Whoa, just today I decided to investigate this further (just like I re-visited my favourite Yagudin programs after seeing you call him a "lipper" - he did some Flips!) but...No, Kwan didn't have a consistent 3/3, she was a flutzer, and her spins were mediocre.
Stop to tell a lie, M, and please remove the 1998 Nats and 1998 Olympics from the list and consider reviewing her other performances before claiming that MK did "all 5" standard triples while berating other skaters like YuNa. Flutz != Lutz. You can console yourself by saying "at least she tried." Or maybe you don't know what an actual Lutz looks like, and it's all just an innocent mistake? Let's take a look:By the way, just for reference
Michelle Kwan did all five triples different triples and a double Axel at 1994 Worlds, 1995 U.S. Nationals, 1995 Worlds, 1995 Skate America, 1995 Skate Canada, 1996 U.S. Nationals, 1996 Worlds, 1996 Grand Prix Finals, 1997 Worlds, 1997 Skate America, 1998 U.S. Nationals, 1998 Olympics, 1998 Worlds Qualifying, 1998 World Pro, 1999 U.S. Nationals, 1999 World Qualifying, 2000 Worlds Qualifying, 2000 Worlds, 2000 Skate America, 2001 U.S. Nationals, 2001 Worlds Qualifying, 2001 Worlds, 2001 Skate America, 2002 Grand Prix Final, 2002 U.S. Nationals, 2002 Worlds, 2003 U.S. Nationals, 2003 Worlds Qualifying, 2003 Worlds, 2004 U.S. Nationals, and 2004 Worlds.
Just saying…
Gee, I don't know. How could Frank Carroll do that?(How can a coach send his skater into senior competition without teaching her all the jumps, spins, steps, turns, etc., anyway?)
OT but are you an ontd_skating member? Just wondering because of your profile's location lols XD
Gee, I don't know. How could Frank Carroll do that?
Nope. I actually came up with "Yunaverse" on my own, after first having seen the word "Yunatic" from SB. Since I consider myself a (rational) Yunatic, I thought such beings must live in the "Yunaverse".
Anyways, back to Yuna news. Here is the AP article that mentioned some of Yuna's plans for the next few months:
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_15881/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=3DXghcMs
An excerpt: "Kim said she also plans to travel to Durban for the final presentation and vote. After that, she will begin working on her skating program for next season with coach Peter Oppegard."
Yuna also has a skating show in Korea in August, and I think Kurt Browning, Stephane Lambiel and Patrick Chan are (tentatively) scheduled to be there. No official confirmation yet.
She's returning to Seoul from Switzerland today, and will continue working on the new TV show "Kiss & Cry" and other commercial stuff. In July she flies to Durban, South Africa, for the final IOC meeting and host selection. Then she goes back to LA for some training, probably new choreography.
Her "off-season" is pretty busy.
Prettykeys, I get why you're pissed. All of the accusations being made against Yu-Na are hitting a nerve so you're pointing to Michelle's flaws as that's who she (Yu-Na) is being compared to. I just want to say to not worry about it so much. Yu-Na is a very complete and exceptional skater, despite limited amount of things she doesn't do or doesn't do exceptionally. Nobody can take that away from her.
I'd say it started losing it's popularity around 2004-2005. Once Michelle officially left, followed shortly by Sasha, the US had no one to promote and no star power left. When Kimmie Meissner and Emily Hughes were the best the US had, that's when the sport sang it's swan song in the US. Once State Farm stopped sponsoring it after 2007, that's when it really went belly-up...
Eh it's not just that, it's the fact that frankly, the accusations that are being made are 1). unrelated to the nature intended for this thread, 2). fallacious, and 3). using a double standard. :/ I get it, Michelle was a magical skater-- which I do agree with. But that doesn't mean Yu-na needs to be brought down to prop her up. MK's legacy is assured no matter what big new name comes down the way thus it's a bit annoying to see Yu-na constantly compared to her and subsequently belittled.
This is incorrect. Skating was losing popularity even BEFORE the SLC Olympics, as measured in ratings and how many events were on television. By the end of the decade leading up to SLC, television was showing approximately 1/3 the events they were as compared to to the heyday of the early 90s. The sport was declining in the US before.