Recent video of Elizaveta Tuktamysheva practising 3A

[Sandpiper]

If Midori was competing under the current scoring system I'm sure she would have thrown that 3A-3T during the program itself and not just during practise. And just imagine how great of a score that would have been. At least a 15 from the video surely?

Why would she throw 3A-3T under the current system? The 3T is worth the same whether she does it after the axel or after the salchow. The only potential use might be under the 2010 rules, if she wants to do 3A in the SP but can't perform it out of steps.

The best chance of seeing Midori throw down 3A-3T would've still been under 6.0, but supposing that she had a very strong and consistent rival who could beat her even when she went clean. That would've been incentive.

 

[Sasha'sSpins]

Midori's 3A is still the most spectacular of all if not as elegant as Liza's. Spectacular height on her 3A, no one has jumped as high as Midori. Pause at the :25 mark. On the 3A her feet are level with the top of the boards! And she remains the only woman who could do one with a 3A tacked on to the end (even if it was 'just' practice). There's also video of Midori doing that combo in practice at the '92 Olympics in slo mo and it looks monstrous. Midori would have gotten major points under the current code imo with that combo especially if she did it after the 2 minute mark in the LP where the 10% bonus kicks in.

 

[FlattFan]

Someone'd landed a few times in major competitions and someone's selectively put a jump or two on facebook are not in the same league. Damn right!

 

[Krislite]

Someone'd landed a few times in major competitions and someone's selectively put a jump or two on facebook are not in the same league. Damn right!

Ito first landed it in competition when she was, what, 19 years old? Liza's got time to put it out there. We really have no idea what her consistency on it might be, but the new Olympic quad has just begun.

 

[Sandpiper]

Midori's 3A is still the most spectacular of all if not as elegant as Liza's. Spectacular height on her 3A, no one has jumped as high as Midori. Pause at the :25 mark. On the 3A her feet are level with the top of the boards! And she remains the only woman who could do one with a 3A tacked on to the end (even if it was 'just' practice). There's also video of Midori doing that combo in practice at the '92 Olympics in slo mo and it looks monstrous. Midori would have gotten major points under the current code imo with that combo especially if she did it after the 2 minute mark in the LP where the 10% bonus kicks in.

According to an interview, Liza has also done 3A-3T in practice.

I agree Midori is still the queen of the triple axel (with Mao as another possible candidate due to the sheer number of triple axels she performed). Nobody is saying otherwise. People are only saying, "This particular triple axel from Liza is very nice. Hopefully we'll see it in competition soon."

 

[Warwick360]

Why would she throw 3A-3T under the current system? The 3T is worth the same whether she does it after the axel or after the salchow. The only potential use might be under the 2010 rules, if she wants to do 3A in the SP but can't perform it out of steps.

The best chance of seeing Midori throw down 3A-3T would've still been under 6.0, but supposing that she had a very strong and consistent rival who could beat her even when she went clean. That would've been incentive.

What about the GOE? Surely you'd throw in greater score for someone who throws in a 3A-3T over someone with 3S-3T combo. I'd think judges would have some predilection for something new if done correctly. (was going to say something harder but Adelina's higher GOE on triple toe-triple toe has thrown that theory out to the bin)

Also, this means she gets to throw an extra triple axle right? Given she could just throw it in with a double combo to do a single separate axle but doing the triple triple would in my mind just rack up a quick (if not easy) chunk of points in the first jumping pass.

 

[LisaM]

http://instagram.com/p/xqvFHFzQRy/?modal=true
Her first try doing it in her LP! Almost got it

 

[karne]

Reckon we'll see it at Euros.

 

[TryMeLater]

Ito first landed it in competition when she was, what, 19 years old? Liza's got time to put it out there. We really have no idea what her consistency on it might be, but the new Olympic quad has just begun.

Yes, But back it 1989, Most women weren't doing the Lutz, Flip or even the Loop.
Witt won the Olympics only with the Toe and Salchow, and Trennary won the 1990 worlds (over Ito) doing the flip.
Midori Ito didn't need the 3A until after the 1988 Olympics.

 

[plushyfan]

http://instagram.com/p/xqvFHFzQRy/?modal=true
Her first try doing it in her LP! Almost got it

 

[purpledream]

breakthrough season it is!
At 13 her 3A looks as light as a feather! Now, it looks strong and fast! Wonder if she will put it in her program soon!

So happy to see her reaching her A game and being so mentally strong to get here!

 

[Junstella]

Fully rotated, and nice landing:yay: Now all she needs to gain is consistency.

 

[salchowx4]

It's great that she is able to do the 3A, but competition is a different beast.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

http://instagram.com/p/xqvFHFzQRy/?modal=true
Her first try doing it in her LP! Almost got it

Great attempt! Despite the fall it looks like she got it around enough to get full credit.

 

[Sandpiper]

http://instagram.com/p/xqvFHFzQRy/?modal=true
Her first try doing it in her LP! Almost got it

So she's really working on including it in her program... Best of luck to Liza!

What about the GOE? Surely you'd throw in greater score for someone who throws in a 3A-3T over someone with 3S-3T combo. I'd think judges would have some predilection for something new if done correctly. (was going to say something harder but Adelina's higher GOE on triple toe-triple toe has thrown that theory out to the bin)

Also, this means she gets to throw an extra triple axle right? Given she could just throw it in with a double combo to do a single separate axle but doing the triple triple would in my mind just rack up a quick (if not easy) chunk of points in the first jumping pass.

3A-3T is somewhat more valuable due to the GOE factoring (compared to what it was in 2010). However, giving +1 or +3 is not based on difficulty, but on execution. That's the whole point of GOE. Yuna got +3s at 2013 Worlds even for relatively simple jumps, like 2A. Mao never got a pass on her GOE despite being the only woman to do 3A--in fact, I'd argue she kinda got hosed because they compared her 3A to the men's. Plenty of people not named Adelina get high GOE for 3T-3T (Liza, Yulia, and Alena come to mind... in fact, Yulia's SP scores started going downhill when she added back the 3Lz-3T due to edge/GOE/rotation problems)

The whole "judges would have some predilection for something new if done correctly" was a 6.0 thing. COP today is better about this than it was in 2010, but it's still not a system that makes a combination like 3A-3T worth the risk. You have to consider that even Midori wasn't a machine--3A-3T takes a lot of energy, and could have consequences for the rest of her skate. It's much smarter to do 3A-2T if she wanted a second 3A, and then doing a much easier 3S-3T. No BV loss, maybe a GOE loss but not much of one, and less energy required.

Frankly, all of this is unnecessary because Midori had excellent 3-3 combinations that would earn huge GOE. Under either 6.0 or COP, she wouldn't need 3A-3T to win. Trying it could actually cause her to mess up and drop down in the standings.

 

[Mathman]

Under either 6.0 or COP, she wouldn't need 3A-3T to win. Trying it could actually cause her to mess up and drop down in the standings.

True, but win or lose, how could she resist tossing in something that no one else in the history of ladies' skating could even dream of attempting? Maybe she was afraid they would make her skate against the boys if they knew she had a 3A+3T.

 

[Sandpiper]

True, but win or lose, how could she resist tossing in something that no one else in the history of ladies' skating could even dream of attempting? Maybe she was afraid they would make her skate against the boys if they knew she had a 3A+3T.

Well, perhaps we should ask Midori why she didn't try it. I suspect the risk-reward wasn't enough.

 

[Florencito]

Empress of All the Russias

 

[mary01]

So she's really working on including it in her program... Best of luck to Liza!


3A-3T is somewhat more valuable due to the GOE factoring (compared to what it was in 2010). However, giving +1 or +3 is not based on difficulty, but on execution. That's the whole point of GOE. Yuna got +3s at 2013 Worlds even for relatively simple jumps, like 2A. Mao never got a pass on her GOE despite being the only woman to do 3A--in fact, I'd argue she kinda got hosed because they compared her 3A to the men's. Plenty of people not named Adelina get high GOE for 3T-3T (Liza, Yulia, and Alena come to mind... in fact, Yulia's SP scores started going downhill when she added back the 3Lz-3T due to edge/GOE/rotation problems)

The whole "judges would have some predilection for something new if done correctly" was a 6.0 thing. COP today is better about this than it was in 2010, but it's still not a system that makes a combination like 3A-3T worth the risk. You have to consider that even Midori wasn't a machine--3A-3T takes a lot of energy, and could have consequences for the rest of her skate. It's much smarter to do 3A-2T if she wanted a second 3A, and then doing a much easier 3S-3T. No BV loss, maybe a GOE loss but not much of one, and less energy required.

Frankly, all of this is unnecessary because Midori had excellent 3-3 combinations that would earn huge GOE. Under either 6.0 or COP, she wouldn't need 3A-3T to win. Trying it could actually cause her to mess up and drop down in the standings.

That's not true, despite often being underscored, her 3a in particular gave her good goe at the 2014 worlds she got 10.36 point for her 3a that's almost two whole points in goe.

 

[emma]

True, but win or lose, how could she resist tossing in something that no one else in the history of ladies' skating could even dream of attempting? Maybe she was afraid they would make her skate against the boys if they knew she had a 3A+3T.

Well, perhaps we should ask Midori why she didn't try it. I suspect the risk-reward wasn't enough.

Doing what no one else in your field can do is pretty cool! I cracked up, MM, with the "skating with the boys" comment

Maybe the risk-reward was really not worth it - but it was so cool to see her do it in warm-ups and practice videos nonetheless. It's "stuff" like that that makes me wish I could attend practice sessions at events, to not only see this sort of ability that doesn't make the competition ice, but also to sort of observe how other competitors take it all in. I seem to remember another Japanese female skater doing triple triple triple combinations at the Olympics practices - not saying she freaked at her competitors, but she did win the gold