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Thank you for that information, Doris. I truly appreciate it.
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Thank you for that information, Doris. I truly appreciate it.
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Once you get into the if it were done etc, etc, regime, I think it is fair to mention pre IJS skaters.
The potentially highest scoring ladies' combination landed so far then would be Midori Ito's triple axel triple toe. Of course it predates IJS, but if done under current IJS, it would have a base value of 12.60
https://youtu.be/PKs7NFGnkOk
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Mmm, I wasn't talking about base value, though. Hm, the 3T there looks UR but the axel itself should be mostly 3s... But well, I meant listed on protocols. Going that far back goes too much into theorizing for me.
Thanks, karne. I'm really shocked they just have the one camera. It seems like that wouldn't give them the angles they'd need to make calls about jumps and step sequences? I get what you're saying about the Replay Operator, but it seems line one who is trained would be able to load the best angle to view an element that's been marked for a review.
As someone who has never skated, they remind me of the first or third position in ballet so I think of them as the ballerina turn. I always remind myself that they are the two-footed turns, and that a Chocktaw involves a change of edge/curve and a Mohawk doesn't.
Last month I was working on a post trying to really illustrate this year's short dance key points in a way I thought pretty much anyone could understand. I never ended up making the time to finish it, but I do have a gif of a key point that includes a closed Chocktaw if that helps. Unfortunately the movement is a little interrupted because I wanted to emphasize the edges the technical specialist is marking during the turn, but hopefully it helps!
http://i.imgur.com/axK8bfl.gif
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Let me break this down for you, mostly because I'm sick to bloody death of the "EVIL TECH PANEL IS TRYING TO BE EVIL" rubbish that seems to pervade the undercurrents of this forum. The camera is fed straight into the Replay Operator's computer. The Replay Operator marks the elements within the recording, which are then linked to the elements in the system as input by the Data Operator. When the program is finished and the review begins, the technical panel can request to replay an element, at regular speed, fast speed, slow mo, super slo mo, frame-by-frame, reverse, etc. Sometimes, a skater goes clean, the review takes thirty seconds, and all's well. Other times, the review takes five minutes on its own because the skater had a rubbish skate and practically everything needs to be looked at.
And it's not just the technical panel who can replay videos. The judges can look too. So the current times that skaters have to wait are done with ONE camera angle.
Now imagine what would happen if there were four camera angles. The Replay Operator has to frantically tag each angle and make sure it's tagged on the correct element. Then if the tech panel wants to review something, they might have to go through super slo mo on four different angles for each element that they want to review. Then the judges will be watching things on four different angles.
Doubtless if such a thing was employed, it wouldn't be long before people would be whinging about how long it was taking for the scoring. Heck, they'd have to rewrite the ten-minute rule or there'd be a LOT of rewarmups.
As I said before: if the camera is placed correctly, and most are, there is practically no such thing as a blind spot unless the skater does a jump right in front of the camera so close the camera can't see their feet. And if the images on the screen are not clear, the benefit of the doubt goes to the skater.
EDIT: I also wanted to add, tech panels rarely, if ever, review step sequences if they can avoid it. The reason for this is that it would simply take too long, especially if there are other elements of the program to be reviewed. Think about how long it takes the skater to do the step sequence, now imagine that the tech panel wants to watch it again. Pfft.
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Because I hope to one day ask the dumbest question and win this thread I will again make an attempt.
Has anyone noticed and or watched how long the dancing banana emoticon goes on for? It's like a 30 second dance at least.
That dude has skills!
Follow up question..... Can anyone tell me the names of all the dances he does
Has anyone noticed and or watched how long the dancing banana emoticon goes on for? It's like a 30 second dance at least.
That dude has skills!
Follow up question..... Can anyone tell me the names of all the dances he does
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I think the dances must be very exhausting for the poor banana man. Here is how he looked after the dance:
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I noticed a moonwalk, a Charleston move, and I think the electric slide is in there, but there are others.
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I thought I saw a Macarena and a Ride the Pony
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How about the Sprinkler?
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Since we are fans of the dancing banana, and indeed of all dancers, here's his back story:
http://peanutbutterjellytime.net/index.html#story
Here is the banana's routine from when he was in novices. He won the pewter medal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRBOgtp0Hac
http://peanutbutterjellytime.net/index.html#story
Here is the banana's routine from when he was in novices. He won the pewter medal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRBOgtp0Hac
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I apologize if these questions have already been answered... but they keep running through my mind, so I figured I would throw them at you experts here 
1. How is Satoko Miyahara able to do two 2A/3T jump combos in her FS without violating the Zayak Rule? I seem to not quite understand how the Zayak Rule works with regard to combination jumps. I'm guessing it has to do with one of the jumps being the 2A —> but it does kind of feel like repeating an identical jump combination in the same program violates the *spirit* of the Zayak Rule, no?
2. Has any skater ever attempted a program that includes zero crossovers? Is this even feasible?
Thank you to anyone who can help me better understand this sport I so love!!
1. How is Satoko Miyahara able to do two 2A/3T jump combos in her FS without violating the Zayak Rule? I seem to not quite understand how the Zayak Rule works with regard to combination jumps. I'm guessing it has to do with one of the jumps being the 2A —> but it does kind of feel like repeating an identical jump combination in the same program violates the *spirit* of the Zayak Rule, no?
2. Has any skater ever attempted a program that includes zero crossovers? Is this even feasible?
Thank you to anyone who can help me better understand this sport I so love!!
The rule just says that you're only allowed to repeat two triple or quad jumps, and if you repeat one of these jumps it must be in combination at least one of the times it's performed.
That allows for a repeated jump to be performed in combination on both occurrences.
And there's nothing to say it can't be the exact same combination both times.
So there's no rule violation involved.
Judges could consider it too repetitious and penalize in the Choreography score if it bothers them.
Ice dance. Set pattern dances, either compulsories or the Original Set Patterns that were required in the 1970s and 80s.
For a program with big jumps, or big lifts, zero crossovers is unlikely.
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Ah! Gotcha... So, if I understand this correctly, it would *not* be in violation of the Zayak rule if you did the same two triple jumps in the same combination? Like, two 3F+3T jumping passes?
(Also: thank you!!)
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It's OK, but I agree with your first post that it violates the "spirit" of the Zayak rules. I think it would be better to do 3F+3T, solo 3F (perhaps with some kind of embellishment such as preceding steps), then do a different combination ending in 3T.
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I feel like numerous people would disagree, but I actually would like to see a lower score multiplier on 2A 3T than 3-3s. It's much easier but still gives you the exact same total score... That just doesn't seem fair to me. I'd even go as far to say that it is optimal to do 2A 3T twice, assuming you are planning on repeating the 3T. And eh yeah, on topic I actually would also like to see the ability to repeat the same exact combination gone.
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Don't know how stupid the questions are, but I'd still appreciate some answers.
1. Rule 350 of Special regulations & Technical rules says:
"If sixty (60) seconds started from the call to the start have expired and the skater/s has/have not yet taken the starting position, he/they will be considered as withdrawn."
What happens next? Is the athlete considered withdrawn and that's the end of it, no further repercussions, or do some consequences happen?
What happens if an athlete is expected to compete at some event, but simply doesn't show up? No missing the call to start, but doesn't come at all (say, didn't get visa, missed three planes in a row or some other non-medical reason). Again, what are the consequences?
2. Rule 349 says that a Program Content Sheet should be presented before the competition, but no further details are given. I suppose there should be deadlines. When is the last opportunity to submit this sheet? Can changes be made to it at a later moment? If so, then by whom (the athlete(s), the coach, the team official)? What happens if changes to the routine are made "on the fly" during the skate? I mean something like: "We planned doing a 2A, but at the last moment decided to go for a 3S instead". What happens then, how it is scored if it is not on the Program Content Sheet?
1. Rule 350 of Special regulations & Technical rules says:
"If sixty (60) seconds started from the call to the start have expired and the skater/s has/have not yet taken the starting position, he/they will be considered as withdrawn."
What happens next? Is the athlete considered withdrawn and that's the end of it, no further repercussions, or do some consequences happen?
What happens if an athlete is expected to compete at some event, but simply doesn't show up? No missing the call to start, but doesn't come at all (say, didn't get visa, missed three planes in a row or some other non-medical reason). Again, what are the consequences?
2. Rule 349 says that a Program Content Sheet should be presented before the competition, but no further details are given. I suppose there should be deadlines. When is the last opportunity to submit this sheet? Can changes be made to it at a later moment? If so, then by whom (the athlete(s), the coach, the team official)? What happens if changes to the routine are made "on the fly" during the skate? I mean something like: "We planned doing a 2A, but at the last moment decided to go for a 3S instead". What happens then, how it is scored if it is not on the Program Content Sheet?
I don't know the answers to the other questions offhand, but I do know this:
The tech panel calls what the skater actually does.
The planned program content sheets are primarily useful to the tech panel to know what kind of element is coming up next.
It's good to know when the step sequence is supposed to fall so when a skater starts doing several steps the panel knows whether to start counting the turns and steps, etc., or whether these are just transitions. If a skater ends up not doing a jump combination in the short program (e.g., because of falling on the first jump, and not being able to make it up in the other non-axel jump pass), it might be useful for the panel to know which one was intended to be the combination so that, if the jump out of steps isn't a complete loss as well, they can get credit for doing the steps where required.
Also for televised events the networks like to know the plan so they can alert the audiences what to look for.
But the skaters are not required to follow the plan they submitted in advance -- there's no penalty for doing something different, as long as it meets the requirements.
The tech panel calls what the skater actually does.
The planned program content sheets are primarily useful to the tech panel to know what kind of element is coming up next.
It's good to know when the step sequence is supposed to fall so when a skater starts doing several steps the panel knows whether to start counting the turns and steps, etc., or whether these are just transitions. If a skater ends up not doing a jump combination in the short program (e.g., because of falling on the first jump, and not being able to make it up in the other non-axel jump pass), it might be useful for the panel to know which one was intended to be the combination so that, if the jump out of steps isn't a complete loss as well, they can get credit for doing the steps where required.
Also for televised events the networks like to know the plan so they can alert the audiences what to look for.
But the skaters are not required to follow the plan they submitted in advance -- there's no penalty for doing something different, as long as it meets the requirements.
