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I would imagine his participation in the 4CC was all the testing he needed. Were his mistakes due to his injury? Has he spoken about it?
US Team: 4CCs and Worlds (updated)
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I would imagine his participation in the 4CC was all the testing he needed. Were his mistakes due to his injury? Has he spoken about it?
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His results are fine without one.
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Jason didn't have to win, he just needed to show that he was healthy enough to compete. I'm much more worried about Karen Chen. She was coming off of a huge win and I presume she's healthy. If not, I wish she would have given her spot to an alternate and rested. How is she feeling?
That was because she skipped Nationals, and Olympics would have been her first competition since injury.
Jason demonstrated fitness for competition at both Nationals and 4CCs.
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Actually, Jason's performance at 4CC proved quite a lot - first, that he can still get big scores even with errors, and second, that he will fight whenever he needs to, and third, that he is more than capable of finishing in the top 10 - with or without a quad. He was sixth at 4CC and would have been 4th at Euros with the same score. All the ingredients are there for the required finish at Worlds.
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I agree with Karne. Though I would word it that Jason's mediocrity sans quad is still good enough for a top ten at worlds. With Nathan the Americans are back with three men.
his scores were lower than Vincent's scores at the Bavarian open, just like his scores were lower than Vincent's at nats. Compared to his own skate at nats, he didn't skate as well either. So yeah we would still likely get three spots at Olys thanks to Nathan but Jason failed to proved that he's better than Vincent or that he's even improved himself.
I'm not a huge fan of Vincent's skating, but jason has had far too many opportunities to step up and improve his own technical content and he has proven unable to do so. We need some new blood.
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Ouch Bobsquared. The thing is Jason even with errors is loved by the judges so you can count on decent scores. That is something that not everyone has the ability. Look how they dumped Nam. But with Jason they always seem to keep him in the top 8.
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So surely your precious Vincent should have smashed Jason's score, clearly, since he is apparently so good and has the quads that are the only thing that matter right - oh wait! He didn't! It was what, two points? And those quads people carry on about? HE ROTATED WHOOPDEDOO, TWO OF THEM. The rest were UR.
You can rubbish on Jason all you like, but don't try to make out Vincent had some kind of godly wonderful performance that vindicated all your arguments, because he didn't.
Nam and Jason aren't even in the same conversation when it comes to performance ability, skating skills, and element quality. What you and all the other Jason-bashers are failing to realise that that while Jason may not have a quad, everything else that he does, he does well. Really, really well. Masses of positive GOE well. That's why he scores so big. Even with the absolutely RIDICULOUS injustice that was CHEN scoring higher in PCS than him at 4CC, Jason still laid down a good performance that got lots of GOE and that's why he scores big.
The only thing of concern that Jason should need to prove is if he can score higher than Vincent--that is the only relevant thing. I said very clearly Vincent needed to work on his skating, and I simply stated that Jason scored lower than Vincent, he was not "smashed", you made that up. Vincent landed two quads in one competition, jason has never landed one in around two dozen, though clearly he has better skating/artistry.
Again the point is Jason needed to prove that him placing below Vincent was due to his injury and he failed to do that because he scored lower than Vincent and didn't improve on his own program. As a matter of fact, most of the mistakes he made at 4CC were the exact same ones he made at Nationals (fall on 3A and ur 3LZ in short, botched 1Lo3S combo in free plus he popped an axel at 4CC) and he didn't add back a quad/change the layout either.
Jason's fans refuse to see logic. It's ridiculous to even have a conversation with them because they always spout the same nonsense semi fact about how he can place top 8 without quad. A quad is not necessary for Jason. LOL. When you skate your best to place 8th, with a few guys faltered, and you and your coach and your fans insist you deserve it, the delusion runs strong.
Who said anything about rich until someone said Charlie and Meryl are millionaires? How is being a diva or divo or stupid names have anything to do with the fact that ice dancing are the worst of the 4 disciplines. Nobody gives a crap about ice dancing. Watch the figure for ice dancing. See how many actually watched them.
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Honestly, even if you feel strongly on either side of the Jason or Vincent debate, I think we all have to admit that Jason and Vincent both probably have a similar scoring potential at Worlds, one isn't SOOOOO much more likely to help regain three spots than the other. (This also applies to the Mirai/Karen/Mariah debate, tbh). USFS made their decisions, they can't (or at least, very much SHOULDN'T) change them now, and their decisions aren't out of this world ridiculous, even if you see a stronger argument for the side other than the one they chose.
For sake a discussion, I really recommend elementary course of debate prep. If you want to argue with someone and actually push your point (maybe you're just trolling, though), don't use such statements. They rarely are true (and in this case, definitely untrue) and make you come across as totally senseless.
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Umm, no. Jason didn't and doesn't need to prove that he can outscore Vincent, except in your mind, and the minds of a few other posters who seemingly don't know or agree with the selection procedures, and have a great need to repeatedly bash him.
No matter how you try to spin it, this was not exactly a resounding "victory" for Vincent given that he attempted a total of 4 quads, fell on one, and was called for < or << on 5 jumps, including both of his quad sals in the FS. Not surprisingly, his total GOE for the entire competition was about 4 points lower than Jason's at 4CC. In short, it was not exactly a confidence inspiring performance.
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I think Jason is a safer bet because even when he performs below his standard (for good reason since he's recovering from injury) he can score about the same as Vincent who is attempting riskier and more ambitious jump content. Jason's floor is higher than Vincent's floor even if Vincent's ceiling is higher, there's no guarantee he'll reach it. Jason's floor seems to be good enough to get what we need for 3 spots.
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Final placements are determined by total score, not just PCS. Vincent tends to score slightly higher in total points than Jason but Jason was given the slot. I have disagreed with that choice since the World's Team was announced.
If you look at overall trends, Jason's scores seems to have plateau'ed out but Vincent's scored seems to still be going up. That is why I think Vincent is really the better bet.
But USFS has selected Jason. Given the current state of men's skating, not sure if Jason can place high enough to get a third spot. Having said that, I have more confidence with Vincent but him placing high enough is not a given either.
If you look at overall trends, Jason's scores seems to have plateau'ed out but Vincent's scored seems to still be going up. That is why I think Vincent is really the better bet.
But USFS has selected Jason. Given the current state of men's skating, not sure if Jason can place high enough to get a third spot. Having said that, I have more confidence with Vincent but him placing high enough is not a given either.
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