Figure Skating in Australia

[karne]

I guess Hollys concussion a few weeks ago was more serious than we all thought. Disappointing that she has to skip her jgps.

Has anyone looked for videos from SLC and Lombardia ?

If it was a concussion then I am glad they are taking it seriously. I'd rather see her miss a few JGPs than have any more serious physical repercussions.

Lombardia videos

Brendan SP FS
James SP FS

US Classic videos
Harder to find youtube clips of these. If you have IceNetwork the whole events are up.

Brooklee SP FS

Andrew SP (can't find the FS)
Jordan SP (can't find the FS)

I haven't found any separate videos of Paris and Matthew's programs yet.

 

[GF2445]

Brooklee' I dreamed a dream is just....
Dress + 50000000 GOE

Also good job for Kailani too.
That bubbly electro-swing number is really entertaining.

Nationals is going to be awesome. If someone is going to Brissy, could you record because i dont they broadcast nationals unless its at Obrien Arena.

 

[GF2445]

For the love of everything that is good. I am still having feels for Brooklee's SP.
So good.

 

[essence_of_soy]

Brooklee Han is really hitting her stride. In just one week she has shot up 12 points in her short program from 45.93 at the US International Figure Skating Classic, to a personal best of 57.65 at the Autumn Classic Invitational. As others have already said, Nationals in Brisbane laster this year should be very exciting.

 

[GF2445]

I really like Andrew's Theatrical SP to "This is the Moment"

 

[GF2445]

Wishing our athletes good luck this weekend.
For Amelia and James in Croatia, and for Kailani, Katia/Harley, Kim/Tim at Nebelhorn.

Was doing some number crunching for the team event.
After calculating the points and doing some number projections, it has come clear that for Australia to make the team event, we will have to rely on both or either of these two scenarios happening.

Firstly (and the most critical), Israel not earning a qualification spot in Pairs. With France relinquishing their second pair spot, if Israel finishes in the top 5 (not 4) amongst the nations fighting for those final spots, I predict Israel will be locks for the team event. If Israel earns a pairs spot, they will have entries in 3 Individual Olympic events. Also, with strong results from Alexei Bychenko and Isabella/Ilia, they will easily earn more points on the grand prix than Australia, Korea, Czech Republic etc. We will have to rely on Sumire and Francis to overtake Paige and Evgeni in the free- they trail around 1.5 points behind after the SP). Also keep in mind that Israel is already ahead of Australia in Qualification Points.

Secondly, South Korea not earning a qualification spot in 2 of the 3 disciplines they are fighting for qualification spots in. As alluded to in other posts, South Korea will receive a "Host Country Place" in all the individual events they fail to qualify for through the normal qualification process (e.g. if South Korea failed to qualify any of the 30 spot in the mens event either worlds or Nebelhorn, they will create a 31st spot for South Korea). However, these host athletes can only compete in individual events. It is important to note that these host country places do not automatically constitute a team for the host country in the team event unless the host country qualifies for the Team event through the normal qualification process.
If South Korea qualifies 0-1 of the three disciplines through Nebelhorn [NOT a "Host Country Place"], they would not be able to meet the requirements for the team event, and Australia will be ok. However, if they do qualify spots in 2+ of the three disciplines through the Nebelhorn Trophy [NOT a host country place], they will meet the requirements for the team event. Also, I expect South Korea to earn a couple of hundred points through the grand prix. South Korea also has a slight lead over Australia in points.


If both situations come true, Australia will be first reserve for the team event again
If 1 of the 2 situations happens, we have a chance,
If none of the situations happen, Australia will be in the clear.
This is of course if Kailani, and Katia/Harley qualify a spot.

And the most nerve-wracking thing is that, we will know in less than 24 hours the likelihood of Australia qualifying for the team event.

Another scenario which is not critical, but might help our situation, will be Czech Republic not earning a spot in the Ice Dance and/or ladies [not including pairs because Duskova and Bidar will qualify for sure]. Im not expecting Czech Republic to earn a spot in the ladies and Ukolova has been very inconsistent lately, however, in the dance, Mansour and Ceska are currently in contention for a berth in ice dance. A berth in ice dance will mean that Czech Republic would have met the requirements of the team event [yes, Pairs event isn't over but they are a sure lock, especially with 5 spots available].

 

[DorYiu]

Wishing our athletes good luck this weekend.
For Amelia and James in Croatia, and for Kailani, Katia/Harley, Kim/Tim at Nebelhorn.

Was doing some number crunching for the team event.
After calculating the points and doing some number projections, it has come clear that for Australia to make the team event, we will have to rely on both or either of these two scenarios happening.

.....
If both situations come true, Australia will be first reserve for the team event again
If 1 of the 2 situations happens, we have a chance,
If none of the situations happen, Australia will be in the clear.
This is of course if Kailani, and Katia/Harley qualify a spot.

And the most nerve-wracking thing is that, we will know in less than 24 hours the likelihood of Australia qualifying for the team event.

Another scenario which is not critical, but might help our situation, will be Czech Republic not earning a spot in the Ice Dance and/or ladies [not including pairs because Duskova and Bidar will qualify for sure]. Im not expecting Czech Republic to earn a spot in the ladies and Ukolova has been very inconsistent lately, however, in the dance, Mansour and Ceska are currently in contention for a berth in ice dance. A berth in ice dance will mean that Czech Republic would have met the requirements of the team event [yes, Pairs event isn't over but they are a sure lock, especially with 5 spots available].

Thank you for such detail analysis!
Just finish a busy week of work and catching up for Nebelhorn trophy ~ Ekaterina & Harley did so well! They look so cute at kiss and cry, it's like they can't believe the score announced.
Really like Kailani's SP, and congrats for the 1st place after short! All the best for the free!
(Seems like there is a fair chance for qualifying for team event?

 

[GF2445]

A great night of skating for Australia.

Congratulations to Katia and Harley for qualifying for the Olympics with a huge PB, and for winning the bronze medal last night. Staying up late was worth it.
Their "Mask" Free Skate this season is by far an enormous step up from last season.

Second round of congratulations to Kailani Craine for a PB and taking the lead after the Short Program last night. That SP to "Dream a Little Dream" and "One Day" is by far my favourite of all her Short Programs. Also, it is great to see that there is a noticeable improvement in her artistry, performance of the program, and skating skills. Add a triple triple (easier said than done) and she will continue to move up.

And finally, congratulations to James Thompson, who earned an official set of PB's at JGP Croatia for SP, FS, and Total Score.



Good Luck to Kim and Tim & Kailani tonight in the free programs.

 

[GF2445]

Wishing our athletes good luck this weekend.
For Amelia and James in Croatia, and for Kailani, Katia/Harley, Kim/Tim at Nebelhorn.

Was doing some number crunching for the team event.
After calculating the points and doing some number projections, it has come clear that for Australia to make the team event, we will have to rely on both or either of these two scenarios happening.

Firstly (and the most critical), Israel not earning a qualification spot in Pairs. With France relinquishing their second pair spot, if Israel finishes in the top 5 (not 4) amongst the nations fighting for those final spots, I predict Israel will be locks for the team event. If Israel earns a pairs spot, they will have entries in 3 Individual Olympic events. Also, with strong results from Alexei Bychenko and Isabella/Ilia, they will easily earn more points on the grand prix than Australia, Korea, Czech Republic etc. We will have to rely on Sumire and Francis to overtake Paige and Evgeni in the free- they trail around 1.5 points behind after the SP). Also keep in mind that Israel is already ahead of Australia in Qualification Points.

Secondly, South Korea not earning a qualification spot in 2 of the 3 disciplines they are fighting for qualification spots in. As alluded to in other posts, South Korea will receive a "Host Country Place" in all the individual events they fail to qualify for through the normal qualification process (e.g. if South Korea failed to qualify any of the 30 spot in the mens event either worlds or Nebelhorn, they will create a 31st spot for South Korea). However, these host athletes can only compete in individual events. It is important to note that these host country places do not automatically constitute a team for the host country in the team event unless the host country qualifies for the Team event through the normal qualification process.
If South Korea qualifies 0-1 of the three disciplines through Nebelhorn [NOT a "Host Country Place"], they would not be able to meet the requirements for the team event, and Australia will be ok. However, if they do qualify spots in 2+ of the three disciplines through the Nebelhorn Trophy [NOT a host country place], they will meet the requirements for the team event. Also, I expect South Korea to earn a couple of hundred points through the grand prix. South Korea also has a slight lead over Australia in points.


If both situations come true, Australia will be first reserve for the team event again
If 1 of the 2 situations happens, we have a chance,
If none of the situations happen, Australia will be in the clear.
This is of course if Kailani, and Katia/Harley qualify a spot.

On a slightly sadder (but not really), both of these situations did not happen, so unless there is an unexpected twist in events, we will be sitting in first reserve again for the team event.

 

[karne]

But the Koreans didn't get a pairs spot, and they may not get a dance spot, leaving them with only two disciplines. I'm super confused.

 

[Chemistry66]

On a slightly sadder (but not really), both of these situations did not happen, so unless there is an unexpected twist in events, we will be sitting in first reserve again for the team event.

But the Koreans didn't get a pairs spot, and they may not get a dance spot, leaving them with only two disciplines. I'm super confused.

Karne's right. We don't know if both things happened yet. Israel got a Pairs spot, but the issue will be if South Korea can move up 1 spot in Dance tomorrow. If so, they'll have the 3 disciplines. If not, they'll have only 2. I think GF2445 mixed up what disciplines finished.

 

[brens78]

YAY Harley and Katia qualified for the Olympics!!! :hap93:

 

[GF2445]

Karne's right. We don't know if both things happened yet. Israel got a Pairs spot, but the issue will be if South Korea can move up 1 spot in Dance tomorrow. If so, they'll have the 3 disciplines. If not, they'll have only 2. I think GF2445 mixed up what disciplines finished.

Sorry i did get mixed up. Simply put, if South Korea receives a spot in ice dance via. Nebelhorn (not host country place quota), they will have the three disciplines.

Ive been struggling my way through that wretched isu olympic qualification document. E.g. It took me forever to realise that skaters who dont make the free skate do not get any world standing or team event qualification points, even though the points table on isu documents makes it look like the top 24 in each discipline gets points- its actually the top 24 in mens and ladies, top 16 in pairs, and top 20 in dance.

 

[Icesk8r]

ISA has no forethought on the actual workings of the criteria in their Olympic nomination criteria. Can someone explain why a skater can have 3 out of 4 competitions with higher Tes and TSS to the next eligible skater (1 out of 3) in the current season, win an Olympic qualifying event but still deemed not to be selected for Olympics? Then be subjected to another 2 comps (not of the skater’s choosing) and be selected solely from the result of these two events?

And can someone also tell me what is “ISU senior world rankings“? There is no such document. There is ISU world rankings. Is isa expecting the junior results that make up this document be taken out? Why? But I suppose isa don’t have to explain now, lucky them.

 

[Heleng]

ISA has no forethought on the actual workings of the criteria in their Olympic nomination criteria. Can someone explain why a skater can have 3 out of 4 competitions with higher Tes and TSS to the next eligible skater (1 out of 3) in the current season, win an Olympic qualifying event but still deemed not to be selected for Olympics? Then be subjected to another 2 comps (not of the skater’s choosing) and be selected solely from the result of these two events?

And can someone also tell me what is “ISU senior world rankings“? There is no such document. There is ISU world rankings. Is isa expecting the junior results that make up this document be taken out? Why? But I suppose isa don’t have to explain now, lucky them.

Hello, I started following Australian skaters after catching Kailani in an international event a couple seasons ago because she really impressed me. And what a superb season Australia has had so far given the results in pairs, ladies, and mens! Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that Brendan and Katia/Harley are essentially a lock for the OWG team but ladies is TBD. My heart is w Kailani, w no disrespect to her competitor, Brooklee, but that said it's great that they have a healthy rivalry to motivate each other to improve. My question -- is the Australian figure skating Olympic team chosen purely on the basis of results at Nationals, or is there some sort of discretionary "body of work" criteria as there is in the US?

 

[Icesk8r]

No, they are not selected from nationals. This is the mess Australia has to sort out from their own selection criteria document.
The section of the ISA nomination criteria that ISA need to sort out now;.
vii. If an Athlete(s) qualifies a quota place at the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017 then they will be qualifying a quota place for Australia.
viii. If an athlete(s) qualifies a quota place(s) at the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017, and the athlete(s) is 20 places ahead or more than the nearest other ranked Australian athlete(s) in that discipline of the ISU Senior World Rankings as published by the ISU at the conclusion the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017, (See Note 1) then Ice Skating Australia will nominate that athlete(s) to the AOC for nomination to the 2018 Olympic Winter Team.
ix. If an athlete(s) qualifies a quota place(s) at the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017 for Australia, and the athlete(s) is less than 20 places ahead of the nearest other ranked Australian athlete(s) in a discipline of the ISU Senior World Rankings as published by the ISU at the conclusion the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017 (See Note 1), then the two (2) highest so ranked senior Australian athlete(s) in a discipline selected from the ISA senior international pool at the conclusion of the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017 will be required to compete in the same two (2) senior ISU international competitions, as selected by Ice Skating Australia, in the period following the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017 and up to 20 January 2018.
a. ISA will advise the two (2) ISU international competitions as soon as possible.
b. Following completion of the two (2) competitions, the two (2) athlete(s) in a discipline will be ranked by adding together their total scores achieved at those same two (2) ISU international competitions as selected by ISA that the two (2) athletes have competed at.
c. Ice Skating Australia will then nominate the highest ranked athlete(s) based on 2(ix) (b) to the AOC for nomination to the 2018 Olympic Winter Team by 25 January 2018.

 

[SnowWhite]

The real question is what "Senior World Rankings" refers to. Does it mean "Seasons World Rankings", "World Standing" or either of those with the juniors removed. If it just means World Standings, Kailani is currently 31st and Brooklee is 51st, which is "20 places ahead or more than the nearest other ranked Australian athlete(s) in that discipline" and would mean Kailani has the spot. If they mean any of the other three options, then it'll come down to the two head to head competitions.

 

[GrandmaCC]

No, they are not selected from nationals. This is the mess Australia has to sort out from their own selection criteria document.
The section of the ISA nomination criteria that ISA need to sort out now;.
vii. If an Athlete(s) qualifies a quota place at the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017 then they will be qualifying a quota place for Australia.
viii. If an athlete(s) qualifies a quota place(s) at the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017, and the athlete(s) is 20 places ahead or more than the nearest other ranked Australian athlete(s) in that discipline of the ISU Senior World Rankings as published by the ISU at the conclusion the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017, (See Note 1) then Ice Skating Australia will nominate that athlete(s) to the AOC for nomination to the 2018 Olympic Winter Team.
ix. If an athlete(s) qualifies a quota place(s) at the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017 for Australia, and the athlete(s) is less than 20 places ahead of the nearest other ranked Australian athlete(s) in a discipline of the ISU Senior World Rankings as published by the ISU at the conclusion the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017 (See Note 1), then the two (2) highest so ranked senior Australian athlete(s) in a discipline selected from the ISA senior international pool at the conclusion of the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017 will be required to compete in the same two (2) senior ISU international competitions, as selected by Ice Skating Australia, in the period following the ISU Olympic Qualifying Competition, Nebelhorn Trophy in Oberstdorf, Germany 2017 and up to 20 January 2018.
a. ISA will advise the two (2) ISU international competitions as soon as possible.
b. Following completion of the two (2) competitions, the two (2) athlete(s) in a discipline will be ranked by adding together their total scores achieved at those same two (2) ISU international competitions as selected by ISA that the two (2) athletes have competed at.
c. Ice Skating Australia will then nominate the highest ranked athlete(s) based on 2(ix) (b) to the AOC for nomination to the 2018 Olympic Winter Team by 25 January 2018.

If a group of drunken lawyers didn't draft this by way of taking a shot every time someone could out-complicate someone else's clause, then I don't know who did.

Congratulations though to the beautiful Kailani on her win and for qualifying us a spot!! Hopefully it will be hers.

 

[GF2445]

If a group of drunken lawyers didn't draft this by way of taking a shot every time someone could out-complicate someone else's clause, then I don't know who did.

Congratulations though to the beautiful Kailani on her win and for qualifying us a spot!! Hopefully it will be hers.

I'm of the feeling that they will send Kailani to the Olympics and Brooklee to Worlds.
Australia, in recent Olympic cycles (2005-6 season, 2013-4 season) we seem to always have the problem of having 2 women's skaters of a similar level fighting for one spot. I just hope this cycle, there won't be any calls to the arbitration of sport.

They will probably select either another Senior B or Challenger AND THEN Four Continents.
I suppose this is Australia's way of holding qualification rounds like South Korea, but using international competitions instead of having to create their own test skates. I suppose by doing this, they attempt to make a more 'objective' selection instead of doing the 'body of work' profile thing that we saw in the US last olympics.
It's confusing as ever, but I generally understand the premise.

 

[karne]

^We can't use this season's 4CC, because it's after the entry deadline for the Olympics.

I feel like the ISA is on a bit of a losing wicket here. They got so much crap for making the rules too vague for the last couple of Olys, so they lay it out all nice and explicit and way ahead of time - this document was released before last season IIRC - and now they're getting crap for it being "too complicated".

Kailani and Brooklee seem to get along very well and have respect for one another. If there is a bunfight, it won't be because of them.