2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Shayuki]

They all are from Philippines as I know :think:

There's at least one Chinese girl. But she's supposedly not very good at all(10yo and only has single jumps) and I'm not sure why she's there. Supposedly staying for just 2 weeks. I guess it was some "dream come true"-thing.

 

[dante]

!=

Ah, another programmer.

 

[KiraraChin]

This is why it'll be interesting how she'll be able to motivate herself from now on. Whether it's actually a good thing or not to her, and how she's able to deal with her new training environment. There are many unknowns in play.

As a Zhenya fan, I can tell you so far there are no indications she has lost her motivation, quite the opposite. Even before going to Canada, she had been working on the ice as much as she could (at several random rinks), managed to regain some of her jumps by herself and produce three new EXs (one choreographed by herself).

Since arriving in Canada, through social media we know she's been working on her strength and conditioning, skating skills and coreo with David Wilson. It seems that she is still working extremely hard as usual

 

[Dmitryfromsiberia]

In her last broadcast on instagram, Zhenya said that she trains no less than in Eteri's group.

 

[zounger]

Tiny Boss knows how to 3z-3lo with zest!!

https://youtu.be/ggt2iXhuxTA?t=2m28s

What a performance. I’ve gone back and watched this program a few times over the last couple of days and I don’t think it gets enough credit. She truly mesmerized everyone and IMO had absolute command of the ice. I think her spins actually fit the music quite well and she has a way of accelerating into the jumps with some nice connecting steps. Like right when you think she hit top speed she throws in two more steps and just accelerated into send it mode. I also think there is some nuance to the overall choreography and it’s not all just jumps as I’ve seen people say about it. It’s not as showy as the SP but it does have character and feel. But the most prominent thing that stands out is her lack of set up into jumps. It’s unbelievable really justvhow quick she pops into them.


I don’t know...I just want to be on the record as saying someone out there really likes the program and thinks it deserves every point it got

And if you imagine that this performance was adjusted to squeeze the second quad and lost some of its initial timing on spins and movements. I think we never saw it's full potential and makes it more interesting to see what she would do this season. By the way I liked the solo 3Lz, but camera didn't caught it well.

 

[charlotte14]

I think it has more to do with people talking about her perfect jumping technique which in fact isn't perfect.

Same, I have no problem with enjoying their perfomances at the same time pointing out their technique has some issue. I still like them even if they have flaws. I even enjoy some of Ashley's perfomances even though she is not my favourites and I can spend sometimes to talk about her bad tech. These junior girls are amazing. And I wish the best for their development. But acting like their technique and other skills were already perfect is a bit too much IMO.

 

[TGee]

Same, I have no problem with enjoying their perfomances at the same time pointing out their technique has some issue. I still like them even if they have flaws. I even enjoy some of Ashley's perfomances even though she is not my favourites and I can spend sometimes to talk about her bad tech. These junior girls are amazing. And I wish the best for their development. But acting like their technique and other skills were already perfect is a bit too much IMO.

Their technique has been tightly targeted to meet a standard of 'perfection' that is no longer what they need...

That is, Eteri has been extremely successful at ensuring skaters could get high GOE under the IJS bullet points of the last quadrennial...

And now that standard is gone...

I have confidence that Eteri and the team at Sambo 70 will adjust, but changing technique to get both height and distance in jumps as well as speed in and out will be a challenge for these young women as their body memory is already established...

And it won't come without risk of injury ...

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Their technique has been tightly targeted to meet a standard of 'perfection' that is no longer what they need...

That is, Eteri has been extremely successful at ensuring skaters could get high GOE under the IJS bullet points of the last quadrennial...

And now that standard is gone...

I have confidence that Eteri and the team at Sambo 70 will adjust, but changing technique to get both height and distance in jumps as well as speed in and out will be a challenge for these young women as their body memory is already established...

And it won't come without risk of injury ...

This post is confusing to me. First off the original post (not the one you quoted) was responding to one skater (Anna) being targeted for scrutiny. Second off several of Eteri’s skaters have great height and distance. Sasha, Alena, Anastasia and Dasha have all shown great height and distance in their jumps. I mean....I’d say Alena’s 3a is one of the best that I’ve seen.

https://youtu.be/caGO6a9m4j0
Zero stalk and set up combined with huge height. If the judges can’t see that then they aren’t doing it very well. The connecting steps in it alone set it apart from the way many senior ladies jump. It should and will be rewarded.

I just don’t follow what you’re getting at with your blanket assertions or the suggestion that sambo needs to change their approach...lol Wut :scratch:

 

[micks]

Awful treatment would be to hold Alina in juniors, or simplify her programs to ensure Zhenya's win. Eteri's team did their best to have both girls at their possible best.

Tutberidze simplified the Zhenya's program. It's a fact. Changed the layout of jumps from 1+6 to 2+5: "2A(low BV) + the other jumps with bonuses" changed to "3F+3T(high BV), 3Lz(high BV) + the other jumps with bonuses".

 

[Grin]

Their technique has been tightly targeted to meet a standard of 'perfection' that is no longer what they need...

That is, Eteri has been extremely successful at ensuring skaters could get high GOE under the IJS bullet points of the last quadrennial...

And now that standard is gone...

I have confidence that Eteri and the team at Sambo 70 will adjust, but changing technique to get both height and distance in jumps as well as speed in and out will be a challenge for these young women as their body memory is already established...

And it won't come without risk of injury ...

Lakernik himself has confirmed that Alena's 3A should be in +4 +5 GOE zone. So I doubt she will have to adjust both height and distance in her jumps

 

[Orlov]

Tutberidze simplified the Zhenya's program. It's a fact.

This fact does not disprove the statement - Eteri's team did their best to have both girls at their possible best.

 

[Fluture]

Tutberidze simplified the Zhenya's program. It's a fact.

Because she was injured. Originally, her Leftovers program was fully backloaded, too but she couldn’t pull it off and it had to be changed. Her only chance at winning against Alina was a clean performance and she knew that. One mistake and the Gold was gone. That‘s why she settled for Anna Karenina. Because she could be consistent with it and because it suited her more. They had no choice. And Eteri would never have purposefully simplified Zhenya’s program. Zhenya, out of all people, really!

 

[TGee]

This post is confusing to me. First off the original post (not the one you quoted) was responding to one skater (Anna) being targeted for scrutiny. Second off several of Eteri’s skaters have great height and distance. Sasha, Alena, Anastasia and Dasha have all shown great height and distance in their jumps. I mean....I’d say Alena’s 3a is one of the best that I’ve seen.

https://youtu.be/caGO6a9m4j0
Zero stalk and set up combined with huge height. If the judges can’t see that then they aren’t doing it very well. The connecting steps in it alone set it apart from the way many senior ladies jump. It should and will be rewarded.

I just don’t follow what you’re getting at with your blanket assertions or the suggestion that sambo needs to change their approach...lol Wut :scratch:

Yup,

Sometimes it's hard to pick the best post in a back and forth thread to jump in.

Yes, certainly some of these girls are getting height and distance... especially on Axels which require a vault and are unforgiving of small jumps.

But the Sambo approach for the past quadrennial, on many of the back entry jumps, has been pre-rotation and reliance on other bullet points to get the GOEs as the girls get taller and heavier..

Certainly, I think that it would be fair to say that overall, they don't have what TAT would call 'North American-style" height and distance.

Now, it may be that the coaching at Sambo 70 has anticipated the change, or is pushing for bigger jumps to get the quads.

But my point that it's pretty courageous to make predictions about how these Juniors will fare as Seniors in the revamped IJS still holds...

 

[micks]

This fact does not disprove the statement - Eteri's team did their best to have both girls at their possible best.

It's not fact, it's assumption.

I think Zhenya wanted a complicated program to fight against Zagitova, but Eteri did not agree with her. Eteri thought that was enough to win. Therefore, there was a such reaction of both of them in the K&C.

I think also Eteri wanted to be the Olympic champion's coach very much, and she did not want to risk with two sportsmen. Having a risky Zagitova's program, she did not allow Medvedeva to have a risky program. This became a point of no return and the subsequent events.

IMHO.

Because she was injured.

It seems the program was changed before the injury.

 

[Fluture]

It seems the program was changed before the injury.

Personally, I’m not that sure about this. They hid the injury for a long time, she skated injured for a while without anyone knowing. I don‘t think Zhenya would have let anything prevent her from winning if it couldn’t be helped. After the Olympics she said herself that her jump layout was „cheap“. She knew it and it bothered her but she also was aware of the necessity to skate a clean program and get high PCS and GOEs to overtake Alina who‘d always have the more difficult program because of the 3Lz-3Lo combo Zhenya couldn‘t do. So, I think they made the right decision. She said it herself, under those circumstances she did everything she possibly could have done. And maybe her win shouldn‘t have been that day but maybe it happened for a reason. Maybe her loss to Alina was what she needed to see her situation more clearly and realise what she wanted from life. She has two Olympic Silver medals and I believe she and her team did everything they could to give both girls equal chances.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Original Dab?

https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c824409/v824409279/176b1a/nvEkvn36ImM.jpg

Was anyone else dabbing in 2014? I don’t think so... #TrendSetter

 

[Orlov]

I think also Eteri wanted to be the Olympic champion's coach very much, and she did not want to risk with two sportsmen. Having a risky Zagitova's program, she did not allow Medvedeva to have a risky program.

What made you think that Alina had a "risky program"? What is the percentage of an unsuccessfully performance DQ for two seasons? Or, maybe, it's something unique? No, programs with the same layout are successfuly performed by Kostornaya, Panenkova. Maybe they're just young? No, Dasha was 15 years old at the JGP and ChR (and she had pubertal body). So, why are you talking about "risk"?
For me, risk was when Kolyada jumped quad-Lutz (4 attempts, 0 successful), risk was when Nagas jumped 3A (3 attempts, 1 successful). This was risk, yes.

 

[Orlov]

Bottom line is, whatever actually happened, Eteri went on the news and said that they were still analyzing Evgenia's scores. Considering the facts, she's either an incredibly difficult person who's in denial and is STILL trying to argue that Evgenia had enough to win..... or she's flat out lying. Both of these scenarios would've made me, personally, furious at my coach. It's not just about medals, it's about trust and honest communication.

My english is not so good as to understand what is written here. Somebody give me libretto.

 

[Grin]

My english is not so good as to understand what is written here. Somebody give me libretto.

Blah blah ... Eteri :disagree:

 

[russianfan]

I think Zhenya wanted a complicated program to fight against Zagitova, but Eteri did not agree with her. Eteri thought that was enough to win. Therefore, there was a such reaction of both of them in the K&C.

I think also Eteri wanted to be the Olympic champion's coach very much, and she did not want to risk with two sportsmen. Having a risky Zagitova's program, she did not allow Medvedeva to have a risky program. This became a point of no return and the subsequent events.

IMHO.

:disapp:
every time i think people can't be more ridiculous in pushing their agenda i'm proven wrong...

before posting such complete nonsense please spend at least few minutes searching for interviews where she has explained why she has changed the program

russian
translation (with a lot of mistakes, arbitrary means FS)


P.S. kudos to Sam-Skwantch for trying so hard to switch topic to something more positive, but... it's hopeless i guess..