2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[dante]

IMHO, the worst part of Nastya leaving Eteri is that Daniil will no longer make her programs.

 

[Shayuki]

I thought I might be wrong but I definitely remember her being with Plushenko at some point last year....there were videos on his instagram and (I just checked now) he is listed as a former Coach of hers.

Yeah I know he used to be her coach but at least wasn't at the GP... Both Sakhanovich and Mikhailova left Plushenko soon after moving under him, there has to be a reason for that.

 

[moriel]

but she does. there're only 3 spots for JWC.

We consistently see Eteri skaters not getting 3 spots no matter what. It kinda makes sense considering fed logic, since sending skaters to major competitions means more funding to rink, and ofc everybody else wants it. So there are 3 spots, but it is unlikely Eteri girls will get them all. This is why people say she will not have to fight trusova and kostornaia for a spot if she is not with Eteri.

Overall, last season, I had high hopes on Plushy, since he just started and needed to prove himself, but so far it didnt seem to work with top skaters.

 

[serephy]

I can't agree here. Anna S. was recovering half of the last season in her own temp. Erohov had a lot of health issues in the past (even some heart problems). and he was recovering as long as he was needed.
so I don't believe it is the case. I even can believe it could be vise versa.
She is ambitious girl. She may have wanted to learn more than her coaches thought she was ready for.

On the other hand there is Tsurskaya, Pitkeev, Skirda. I think also their is a different between a broken bone and a potentially longer term health problem. Of course Eteri has dealt with skaters that have broken bones very well. Look at Zagitova for example, and of course as you mention Shcherbakova. However skaters with more chronic issues is different and with them Eteri has at best 50:50 success rates (Erokhov would be one such success).

Just to clarify this is not an attack on Eteri. The Eteri coaching method works, I'd be an idiot to argue that it didn't, I'm just saying that it doesn't necessarily work for each individual skater and that this is not a bad thing. Perhaps Nastya needed something else, maybe more coddling, or maybe as you argue, someone to hold her back.

 

[moriel]

I can't agree here. Anna S. was recovering half of the last season in her own temp. Erohov had a lot of health issues in the past (even some heart problems). and he was recovering as long as he was needed.
so I don't believe it is the case. I even can believe it could be vise versa.
She is ambitious girl. She may have wanted to learn more than her coaches thought she was ready for.

Considering Eteri is not known for holding her skaters back, i find that debatable.
I mean, dunno, Team Eteri and "left because wanted to learn more than her coaches thought she was ready for" in same sentence just don't match in my head.

 

[leoleo]

IMHO, the worst part of Nastya leaving Eteri is that Daniil will no longer make her programs.

same! her last season's programs were fantastic :sad46:

 

[serephy]

Yeah I know he used to be her coach but at least wasn't at the GP... Both Sakhanovich and Mikhailova left Plushenko soon after moving under him, there has to be a reason for that.

Ah okay, I must have mixed up exactly when Mikhailova changed coaches my mistake. I agree Plushenko isn't perfect/ideal but I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best! He has got some good new coaches under him ... Volkov for an example coaches there now...and even if Sakhanovich didn't improve results dramatically under him she did seem in a better headspace....

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Alright, the point about junior nationals and fundings is a pretty good one. But remember that if she, for instance, has pops and falls, I doubt she would score much higher anyway. Well, maybe then it's easier for her to accept it psychologically. It must not feel great to feel like you've had a great skate and then receive very low scores.

Still, if I think about Plushenko's junior skaters like Chapligina who's an absolute disaster skater and never skates even close to clean and compare to Davydov's(CSKA) or Panova's juniors, they have far less issues. So I still don't understand why Plushenko specifically... If we're talking about standing within Russia, Plushenko's skaters haven't exactly received groundbreaking scoring.

Yes, if it couldn't have been Eteri, I would've wanted to see her at Davydov. He's beginning to do really well with his skaters (Tarusina, Samodelkina, Berestovskaya, etc.)

 

[atsumiri]

Considering Eteri is not known for holding her skaters back, i find that debatable.

I just responded to comment about pressure of learning new things.

Daniil was talking about it in his interview. Skater has to be ready.

 

[Shayuki]

Considering Eteri is not known for holding her skaters back, i find that debatable.
I mean, dunno, Team Eteri and "left because wanted to learn more than her coaches thought she was ready for" in same sentence just don't match in my head.

You think? They dealt with Anna's injury very conservatively, they've not allowed Kostornaya train quads even though she wants to, Trusova said that they mostly have to hold her back and not allow her to train jumps as much as she'd like, etc.

Also, Akatieva's the one that's the most likely to get quads by far out of her, Berestovskaya and Samodelkina, but Akatieva's the only one not training quads.

 

[plushyfan]

Plushenko's school was opened in April 2017. He is on shows many times but because 7-8 coaches are working in Academy this isn't problem. The rink isn't standard what is good for the little pupils but not for the adult skaters. If I'm not mistaken his new standard rink will open soon. Probably it was one of the reasons why he has no more adult skaters. I don't say he was Mikhaylova's coach she arrived with Goncharenko but Goncharenko wanted to rest and Mikhaylova stayed there without real coach. Plushy didn't worked with her too much only some days and went to shows. (He was in Japan for one and a half months and before he was in Korea and in some other cities.) Mikhaylova left the academy and went to Sambo.
Serafima went to Plush in last August and asked work in Plushy's shows. Plushy said to her she is too young to retire. She trained there for free. But two months ago she went back to St. Petersburg she was all alone in Moscow.

 

[serephy]

Yes, if it couldn't have been Eteri, I would've wanted to see her at Davydov. He's beginning to do really well with his skaters (Tarusina, Samodelkina, Berestovskaya, etc.)

Again I wonder if Plushenko was the only coach who could take her at this point in the off-season. Both Davydov and Panova have already have skaters in their team that they need to focus on preparing for test-skates and JGPs. Perhaps they don't have the time to start from scratch making programs for another skater when there is less than a month until test skates....

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Well and it would be incredibly awkward to ask Panova to take her back...

 

[Shayuki]

That's what makes me wonder. If her poor scoring, nationals etc. had been the reason, surely she should have switched coaches earlier? She even went to the training camp, even posting a picture with the pink ball, then left rather suddenly. It's almost like something happened over there.

Yes, if it couldn't have been Eteri, I would've wanted to see her at Davydov. He's beginning to do really well with his skaters (Tarusina, Samodelkina, Berestovskaya, etc.)

Muravyova and Istomina also, and even though Chistyakova's not a favorite of mine, at least she's pretty consistent and not a walking disaster like Plushenko's junior skaters like Chapligina tend to be. edit: Or wait, was Chistyakova buianova? Well, whatever, CSKA is CSKA.

If Panova wouldn't take her back(understandable), Davydov really would have made sense. After these three, the level really falls very steeply. Plushenko is completely unproven. I'm not sure what even makes him more qualified than something like Slutskaya academy. Both get by with name recognition.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Yeah, Muravyova and Istomina are good as well

Chistyakova is Buyanova but yeah, CSKA power

 

[Shayuki]

Actually watching the video frame by frame, that's not even a downgraded -3Lo. It's a slightly overrotated 2Lo. It's about 330 degrees underrotated.

Actually, the 3T is very underrotated as well. She lost her jumps?

 

[IceBallerina]

Actually watching the video frame by frame, that's not even a downgraded -3Lo. It's a slightly overrotated 2Lo. It's about 330 degrees underrotated.

Actually, the 3T is very underrotated as well. She lost her jumps?

She's been in very bad health for the past few months, she is likely recovering.

 

[plushyfan]

Otherwise Alexander Volkov is working at Plushenko Academy for 2 months. Volkov was one of the trainers of Sasha Trusova.

 

[atsumiri]

is he really? I can't find any recent video with him.

 

[russianfan]

I think it's not bad when good skaters are more spread out among different coaches. Eteri has all the top ones anyway. I just hope that Nastya will at least keep herself at previous season's level. Go Nastya!