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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

If Kanysheva with a first outing like this doesn‘t get a second assignment and a chance for the final, I‘ll be pissed! She was perfect and would have been the clear winner had Kostornaya not been there....
 
Spirals for Miles said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JImdPv1AuA
So both of Sima's programs are like taking a walk down memory lane... I like it. I like the new interpretation of music she's had before and her fresh take on it.
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I’m very happy for her. She puts so much heart into this sport. Despite her technical flaws she holds on and gives us very memorable and enjoyable programs. I’ve been binge watching her Chandeliers Exhibition lately :o:
 
Spirals for Miles said:
Yup. And then You Young might make the final - well, probably would. But Kanysheva? Could easily get a silver there.
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Kanysheva could potentially get gold though in Yerevan and that would guarantee her a place in the final. By that time, Ye Lim and You would have already had their second JGP assignments, so Nana Araki is the only other potential contender besides the 2 Russian girls assigned to the event.
The weakest link to an all-Russian JGPF sweep would be Vasilieva's assignment in Ostrava. Nana and Ye Lim will have to duke it out there so Ye Lim doesn't have an easy path to silver, but I dare say that replacing Vasilieva with Guliakova or even Sinitsyna (who still has potential to turn the tables with Ye Lim if clean) could give a better chance of silver for Russia and thus keeping Ye Lim and Nana both out of the final.
Even if You gets 2nd in Canada, 3+2 is likely not to be good enough for the final in her case because Ye Lim currently has an 8-point advantage and Sinitsyna a 4-point advantage over her in terms of total score tie-breaker. Let's say we have the following (already close to worst-case scenario for Russian girls):
Canada -- Shcherbakova, Young, Tarakanova
Ostrava -- Kostornaia, Araki, Kim, Vasilieva (not that likely, Vasilieva may still find her way to the podium)
Ljubljana -- Trusova, Tarusina, Aoki or Iwano
Yerevan -- Kanysheva, Sinitsyna, Araki

Even in this worst-case scenario, the probability of a Russian JGPF sweep is still not completely lost:
Trusova, Shcherbakova, Kostornaia -- 30 points
Kanysheva -- 28 points
Tarusina -- 26 points
Last JGPF spot goes into a tie-breaker of 4 girls with 3+2 (Ye Lim, Sinitsyna, You, Araki). If Sinitsyna goes clean, there's still a chance of her winning the tie breaker on total score since the difference between her and Ye Lim is approx 4 points.
 
NaVi said:
Personally, I hope Russia doesn't sweet the ladies JGP because that could lead towards anti-Russian judging bias for the Grand Prix... I wish they just instituted a rule where if one country gets all 6 spots that they give a 7th spot to the next best skater from another country. I'd have the lowest ranked/scoring skater skate last.
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I don't understand the connection, anti-Russian judging bias should be persecuted by ISU. They should judge the skater and never the country.

If anything the presence of a skater from a different country would push those anti-russian judges to underscore russians in order to let the other girl grabbing a medal.

But if you study scores at these first three events, you'll notice that the top russian skater gets the big score (i'd argue sometimes even too big), while the other one is soo screwed because they always want to let the door open for another skater for the silver medal.

I'm saying this based on how much underscored were Kanysheva and Sinitsyna on the components, especially on the skating skills: it's a little pathetic, cause you're not pushing skaters to work more on the second mark this way.
 
Tolstoj said:
I don't understand the connection, anti-Russian judging bias should be persecuted by ISU. They should judge the skater and never the country.

If anything the presence of a skater from a different country would push those anti-russian judges to underscore russians in order to let the other girl grabbing a medal.

But in a way this is already happening: if you study scores at these first three events, the top russian skater gets the big score (i'd argue sometimes even too big), while the other one is soo screwed because they always want to let the door open for another skater for the silver medal.

I'm saying this based on how much underscored were Kanysheva and Sinitsyna on the components, especially on the skating skills: it's a little pathetic, cause you're not pushing skaters to work more on the second mark this way.
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i feel those are because the top skater like Kostornaia and Trusova already have reputation since last season, i believe when they turn senior then Kanysheva etc will get better PCS too. but i do feel some of the GOE a bit too high for the top skater though but PCS is well deserved imo, except Scherbakova is a bit too high imo (not by much).
 
skatenewbie said:
i feel those are because the top skater like Kostornaia and Trusova already have reputation since last season, i believe when they turn senior then Kanysheva etc will get better PCS too. but i do feel some of the GOE a bit too high for the top skater though but PCS is well deserved imo, except Scherbakova is a bit too high imo (not by much).
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If it is all reputation it doesn't explain Shcherbakova's score and i love her packaging but seriously: you look at Tutberidze's trio and Panova's and i can't see those 12-15 points of difference.

I had mentioned skating skills in particular because i believe Kanysheva and Sinitsyna have better skating skills than Kostornaya and Shcherbakova despite i can understand why the latters are far more enjoyable to watch (more flexible, they skate with more speed, they have better musicality...)

My point is: the second russian is often underscored, while the first one sometimes overscored.
 
Tolstoj said:
If it is all reputation it doesn't explain Shcherbakova's score and i love her packaging but seriously: you look at Tutberidze's trio and Panova's and i can't see those 12-15 points of difference.

At Jr nationals Kanysheva-Sinitsyna-Shcherbakova were basically on par after the SP (67-67-69), then Anna S. bombed the free and the other two actually beated her.

I had mentioned skating skills in particular because i believe Kanysheva and Sinitsyna have better skating skills than Kostornaya and Shcherbakova despite i can understand why the latters are far more enjoyable to watch (more flexible, they skate with more speed, they have better musicality...)
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idk too why Scherbakova score is super high, especially that SP... +4 GOE across the board and very high PCS also. But last season when Trusova and Kostornaia just debuted, their score is not that high. 65 SP for Trusova and 69 for Kostornaia (this is a bit higher than the other but still not 70+) 66 for Panenkova which is like Kanysheva Tarusina Sinitsyna score. for FP i think they are just not as good as the other and some are not even clean so its understandable the gap score.
 
tolstoj said:
if it is all reputation it doesn't explain shcherbakova's score and i love her packaging but seriously: You look at tutberidze's trio and panova's and i can't see those 12-15 points of difference.

I had mentioned skating skills in particular because i believe kanysheva and sinitsyna have better skating skills than kostornaya and shcherbakova despite i can understand why the latters are far more enjoyable to watch (more flexible, they skate with more speed, they have better musicality...)

my point is: The second russian is often underscored, while the first one sometimes overscored.
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preach!!!!
 
Wait a second, can we compare the results from this year with the ones from last year? The new scoring system has already been introduced and I guess 70+ points in the SP now is not the same as it used to be :think:

I don't understand the problem with the high PCS on Scherbakova. Do you think she didn't deserve those points? Her SS might be currently not well developed but she does difficult transitions and shows great interpretation of the music, which luckily doesn't only consist of jumping to the music notes.
 
kalee said:
Kanysheva could potentially get gold though in Yerevan and that would guarantee her a place in the final. By that time, Ye Lim and You would have already had their second JGP assignments, so Nana Araki is the only other potential contender besides the 2 Russian girls assigned to the event.
The weakest link to an all-Russian JGPF sweep would be Vasilieva's assignment in Ostrava. Nana and Ye Lim will have to duke it out there so Ye Lim doesn't have an easy path to silver, but I dare say that replacing Vasilieva with Guliakova or even Sinitsyna (who still has potential to turn the tables with Ye Lim if clean) could give a better chance of silver for Russia and thus keeping Ye Lim and Nana both out of the final.
Even if You gets 2nd in Canada, 3+2 is likely not to be good enough for the final in her case because Ye Lim currently has an 8-point advantage and Sinitsyna a 4-point advantage over her in terms of total score tie-breaker. Let's say we have the following (already close to worst-case scenario for Russian girls):
Canada -- Shcherbakova, Young, Tarakanova
Ostrava -- Kostornaia, Araki, Kim, Vasilieva (not that likely, Vasilieva may still find her way to the podium)
Ljubljana -- Trusova, Tarusina, Aoki or Iwano
Yerevan -- Kanysheva, Sinitsyna, Araki

Even in this worst-case scenario, the probability of a Russian JGPF sweep is still not completely lost:
Trusova, Shcherbakova, Kostornaia -- 30 points
Kanysheva -- 28 points
Tarusina -- 26 points
Last JGPF spot goes into a tie-breaker of 4 girls with 3+2 (Ye Lim, Sinitsyna, You, Araki). If Sinitsyna goes clean, there's still a chance of her winning the tie breaker on total score since the difference between her and Ye Lim is approx 4 points.
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I meant that Kanysheva could get a silver in Canada and thus keep Young You at two bronzes -- out of the final.
I guess it's too late to get her a visa to go to Canada? Honestly it feels like a waste to give a JGP spot to Tarakanova AND Vasilieva unless one of them will get two.
Maybe in Ostrava we could have Kostornaya and Kanysheva again, in Slovenia Trusova and Tarusina like assigned, and in Yerevan Tarakanova and Sinitsyna. Gives one of them room to win and put them on top of 2+2 with 1+3
 
skatenewbie said:
idk too why Scherbakova score is super high, especially that SP... +4 GOE across the board and very high PCS also. But last season when Trusova and Kostornaia just debuted, their score is not that high. 65 SP for Trusova and 69 for Kostornaia (this is a bit higher than the other but still not 70+) 66 for Panenkova which is like Kanysheva Tarusina Sinitsyna score. for FP i think they are just not as good as the other and some are not even clean so its understandable the gap score.
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Different scoring systems, ISU even said that scores aren't comparable... My opinion is that Shcherbakova got quite lowballed in PCS and if she's clean, should score quite a bit higher in the next event.
 
According to reports, Evgenia and Alina were both clean. Alina landed 2A with the insane entry plus 3F and 3Lz-3Lo obviously. Evgenia put in the 3Lz and 2A which both seem improved and has the 3F-3T as the last jump pass. Hoping for a video of Alina's since we have one of Evgenia's already.
 
On Trusova's FS, I actually think it's quite amazing. Especially everything leading up to the last Flip until the end. And by far my favorite FS step sequence of the season also. I'll have to consider people who think the program's terrible to have poor taste.
 
Just watched medvedevas SP. I think she looks in good form intreresting that she has the Lutz in her sp. Still a flutz if you slow down the spead but less obvious in real time i thought so slight improvement. I assume they will work more on it since she has it in the short. She looked like she really enjoyed skating this program today! It is defenetly a new style for her and might take a litte bit longer to perfect but it will be a fun program to watch during the season!

Also watched Zagitova who also loked good. I watched her Lutz in slomo as well and she also had a slight flutz tho less than Medvedeva. It also looked like there might be a possible UR on the 3Lo. I didnt enjoy watching this program as much as medvedevas and I am not sure why. It might be that there is just to many different musics in one short program.

Anyway great skates by both! It will be fun to watch them throughout the season.
 
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