2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[nips]

I’m guessing this doesn’t include choreography, dance training and personal fitness training? Competition earnings are basically nothing how do countries afford this? Wow.

that's actually the point. she is with Brian just few hours a week and most of the trainig schedule consist of another classed, dance, choreography, physyotheraphy that is not that expansive.

And for for the countrirs it is a not a bussiness but the prestige they invest in.

 

[nips]

We can't know this. This just a what-if scenario.

But I agree that it's been unfair to both girls from different aspects.

I am pretty sure Zhenya still would have the questionmarke how would she do if she would trained in another enviroment. Sometimes is the change worth it even if doesnt necesserely bring better results. And in this case she is only in the beginning phase.

 

[DaNiCG]

It's not fair for ALina. I just hope she doesn't realize how people have been unfair to her even in her own country. Yeah I've picked up on that Medved of just needs time a year-and-a-half and all of this and then people overreact if Zagitova does not win a gold medal and they will overreact today if Sasha or someone else catches her for gold.

I am hoping Evgenia can find her form. But it's an uphill battle for her now with all the problems she's had this season with her new coach. As greater coach as he is his reputation will take a hit if he cannot turn this around with Medvedeva. Because if Zhenya tayed with her former coach she would be at or very close to her olympic-level which was outstanding by anyone's standards.

or she could've being more injured than now how many repetitions Sambo skaters do? her feet wont handle that anymore. She wants a long career, her old technique wont work for that

 

[Fluture]

It's not fair for ALina. I just hope she doesn't realize how people have been unfair to her even in her own country. Yeah I've picked up on that Medved of just needs time a year-and-a-half and all of this and then people overreact if Zagitova does not win a gold medal and they will overreact today if Sasha or someone else catches her for gold.

I am hoping Evgenia can find her form. But it's an uphill battle for her now with all the problems she's had this season with her new coach. As greater coach as he is his reputation will take a hit if he cannot turn this around with Medvedeva. Because if Zhenya tayed with her former coach she would be at or very close to her olympic-level which was outstanding by anyone's standards.

1. Not going to comment on the Alina part because as a fan of hers it‘s so incedibly tiring to see fellow fans constantly being sad or angry about what others say. Yeah, it’s unfair and I’m angry about it too but after a while it becomes annoying because it takes away from her and I don‘t get why it constantly needs to be brought up. Just adds fuel to the fire which is exactly what those people criticizing her so extensively want.

2. Sasha will not catch Alina for the gold. The PCS was a clear message, they won‘t let her lead over Alina this year if they can prevent it in any way. Alina will walk away with the title and this will be well deserved because she‘s doing amazingly and she‘s far from being done and that’s the only thing I’m going to say because like I said, I‘m sick of this from both sides, the constant nastiness as well as the whining of the fans. Too much for me personally and I‘ll continue to follow and support Alina on my own and without other fan groups.

3. Zhenya is clearly having problems at the moment. I have no idea whether she‘ll sort them out with her coaching team or not but I wish her all the best. I don‘t think Orser’s reputation will take a hit. There‘s too many Olympic champions and medalists in his resumee for that to happen. And even if his reputation as a ladies coach should suffer, why should he care, he‘s got enough young male prodigies in Gogolev and Cha (and older ones too as Yuzu is still around, too after all) to continue to get medals. So while I do think this is important to Brian (in his new interview he actually talked about he had to give Zhenya undivided attention at the beginning because she was overwhelmed by the new training process) and he cares about Zhenya, it‘s not his reputation that is at stake. It‘s Zhenya‘s physical and mental well-being and that‘s what I think he’s primarily concerned about.

4. No one knows whether Zhenya would have continued to be on top with Eteri and no one ever will. The only thing we know for sure is that Zhenya was badly injured and still is in the process of recovering. So to my mind, she likely would have beaten up her body completely by continuing to train at 100% and more all the time like Camp Eteri does. Plus her psyche would have taken an even bigger blow because it just wasn‘t possible for her to work there anymore. So, yeah, maybe it would have been one season being a close second to Alina in Russia but then it would have probably been over for her forever as her body and mind would have been burnt out completely and beyond repair. I‘d rather take her trying the longevity approach even if in the end it doesn‘t work out instead of just half-heartedly continuing what was starting to fail her already last season and disappearing the next year without any chances or hopes for the future at all.

 

[DaNiCG]

you all sound like new skater fans not knowing how long it takes to train a new technique ON TOP of the old one. That's at least 10 years of muscle memory, its like learning how to walk or speak again, you cant fix that in six months

 

[Fluture]

you all sound like new skater fans not knowing how long it takes to train a new technique ON TOP of the old one. That's at least 10 years of muscle memory, its like learning how to walk or speak again, you cant fix that in six months

I know that very well and I understand it, too. But at the same time I understand fans who are worried about seeing Zhenya being near perfect in practice and then mess up in competitions. Just like her, we aren‘t used to seeing her like that an it takes some time to accept that. It did for me too and I’m actually still in the process of opening up to this longevity idea and approach of Brian. But at the moment I‘m pretty calm about this. Zhenya and Brian are having a plan and they‘re acting accordingly to it. They said they‘ll continue to work and that it takes time. Brian said he won’t give up on her and I’ll take his word. I trust her and I‘m content with the change she made. Because it was brave and the only possible thing to continue her career after what would have been one, max two years of continuation and then a full stop due to her body being burnt out. Whatever will happen today, will happen. She‘s already at the bottom, now there‘s only two things that can happen. Either rise, or stay there. She has no chance of making the european or worlds team anyway. She has nothing to lose and can only gain experience that she will use for further building herself up. She‘ll do some smaller competitions this year and have the whole off-season to get the muscle memory with her new technique. Next year is a different season and no one knows what will happen.

 

[moriel]

you all sound like new skater fans not knowing how long it takes to train a new technique ON TOP of the old one. That's at least 10 years of muscle memory, its like learning how to walk or speak again, you cant fix that in six months

We know.
This is why we ask "Why, for god's sake, they are reworking ALL her jumps at once, except for Salchow???"
Why not focus just on axel and lutz, for example? Why did they have to also break her flip? All at once so she messes up all jumps.

 

[eaglehelang]

I’m guessing this doesn’t include choreography, dance training and personal fitness training? Competition earnings are basically nothing how do countries afford this? Wow.

Of course it doesnt. The $110 +++ per hour is Orser's fee. Then there's Tracy Wilson's coaching fee(Tracy's not revealing the amount).
Then the reporters went to ask David Wilson his fee, he says he charges a flat rate, as many times changes as the client wants till satisfied. All these are this year 2018 info when Evgenia 1st moved to Canada.

Old info : It was reported before Yuzuru received JOC scholarship of $200k for 2 years, 2012 to 2014, for his training in Canada. That's $100k per year, no details given whether it included apartment rental, flights to & from Japan, etc.

During Patrick Chan's fundraising dinner in 2011, it was reported his training expenses was $150k Canadian dollars per year. At the time, Patrick was training in US.

Hence this is why fans have the idea that Evgenia's training in Canada costs $100k per year. Whether its USD or Canadian $ , still a whole lot of money.

 

[Scott512]

No, even if Medvedeva skates clean, she doesn't deserve the third spot.

She needed to WOW everyone in Russia, and this was the worst SP she did all season. What reason does she have to get the third spot? Take the year off, get your s*** together and come back next year. It's been disappointing and I'm a huge Medvedeva fan, but this was just.....stupid! She's malfunctioned at ALL her competitions and just when she needed to deliver, she performs even worse.

This.

Whatever strategy Orser is using, it's not working, and if he doesn't realise it after 6 months.....

He's seriously damaged her reputation, and then I don't get why he's going in the media and saying crap like "if Zhenya skates clean she will win nationals"

Um really? She hasn't even scored over 65 in a short program....

Medvedeva is done. Gracie Gold looks at her and thinks "Poor girl, glad I'm not her."

I love Alina. She comes across as a very sweet pleasant girl. Very mature for her 16 years. I also enjoy watching her skate. She is far above most other skaters as far as I am concerned. It disgusts me when someone feels that is OK to continually ridicule someone because they have some kind of vendetta. She has worked very hard and deserves every medal she has gotten.

It's not that she can't, but she went overseas and it's not like her federation will be patient with her when there's another 293847987 girls that are probably more talented than her at this moment.

She could have taken a different approach and pull a Carolina and just take the first half of the season off. Russian nationals could have been her debut.

Med doesn't have two years to get back to competitive form imo. By then, the parade will have passed her by. I really don't understand what has caused her deterioration. Is she suffering from some form of Post Traumatic SD due to what happened at the Olympics?

What happened at the Olympics? Evgenia Medvedeva was absolutely outstanding at the Olympics she won the silver medal she did not lose the gold. She was a hero for russis for even getting them in the Olympics as oar. Yes Zagitova squeaked by her for the gold medal. But Zhenyas form was tremendous too just like Alinas She's not close to that now and may never be again. That remains to be seen. I am sorry for any anguish that medvedeva is going through. The process has been rough on her. Maybe she can throw us all with an outstanding free skate today at Nationals. If she does her home crowd will love it and eat it up.

 

[Fluture]

What happened at the Olympics? Evgenia Medvedeva was absolutely outstanding at the Olympics she won the silver medal she did not lose the gold. She was a hero for russis for even getting them in the Olympics as oar. Yes Zagitova squeaked by her for the gold medal. But Zhenyas form was tremendous too just like Alinas She's not close to that now and may never be again. That remains to be seen. I am sorry for any anguish that medvedeva is going through. The process has been rough on her. Maybe she can throw us all with an outstanding free skate today at Nationals. If she does her home crowd will love it and eat it up.

She was already visibly having problems with jumps at the Olympics. They were more muscled than ever. Her form wasn’t tremendous. She showed three flawless skates which is amazing in itself but she wasn’t in a form that was anywhere close to her best. She did what she could and probably more but... Compare her Olympic FS to one of her FS in late 2016/17 season. It looks different. She was injured and badly so. And she only managed to get back in the necessary form because of sheer insane mental strength and a rigorous training plan that took a strain on her health and likely resulted in either making the back injury worse or even causing it in the first place. It was necessary for her to deliver the skates she did and I’m sure she’d do it again if asked but continuing to train like this wouldn‘t have worked for her neither mentally nor physically. She beat herself up to get that experience and this may work for a few months but not years. She‘s not a superhuman and after so many years of utter domination it was obvious that there would come a time of real struggle. And it was obvious that it would be hard because if you‘re up so high you‘ll inevitably fall really low.

And imo, in Zhenya‘s mind she clearly lost the gold, not won silver. I wished it was differently and she could appreciate it more but it‘s understandable, too. It was literally only a point of a difference. That would be heartbreaking for every athlete and for Zhenya it must have been particularly so because she probably knew that this was her best and maybe only chance to get this OGM.

We don‘t know what would have happened had she stayed with Eteri but can I please remind you that nit everyone who stayed with Eteri after the Olympics did necessarily well. Yulia struggled a lot, too and it was a mixture of growing and mental issues. Her situation is completely different from Zhenya‘s so comparing them does no good but what I meant was... Eteri‘s not the ultimate solution for every problem a skater faces and we just have literally no idea how this season would have looked like for Zhenya without a coaching change.

 

[Jontor]

Medvedeva aside, I think the short program was fantastic overall. I can't remember - from any championships - a top ten after the short that was this good. The depth in Russian ladies skating is unreal. I was especially surprised by Gubanova and Tarusina, two girls I haven't seen that much before. The free skate will be very exciting today. Good luck to all the girls

 

[zounger]

Medvedeva aside, I think the short program was fantastic overall. I can't remember - from any championships - a top ten after the short that was this good. The depth in Russian ladies skating is unreal. I was especially surprised by Gubanova and Tarusina, two girls I haven't seen that much before. The free skate will be very exciting today. Good luck to all the girls

Gubanova was really good. I hope she continues like that...

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Medvedeva aside, I think the short program was fantastic overall. I can't remember - from any championships - a top ten after the short that was this good. The depth in Russian ladies skating is unreal. I was especially surprised by Gubanova and Tarusina, two girls I haven't seen that much before. The free skate will be very exciting today. Good luck to all the girls

This was my first take away when looking at the scores. A LOT can change in the FS so there is little need to get too worked up at this point but I completely agree with you about the overall picture here. It’s quite the show!

Gubanova is one of my favorites too

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I loved how Eteri was trying to be all coach mode with Sasha right after the performance and she was trying to point out something that displeased her and Sasha just smiled away. It even happened after the scores came up in KnC

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrplQ-KBtgP/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=2qitc65jls41

I will always pull for this kid!!

 

[Vandevska]

This season I'm surprised by Konstantinova actually. And I really liked her skating yesterday, hope she can prove everyone wrong today too and skates clean again :luv17:

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I loved how Eteri was trying to be all coach mode with Sasha right after the performance and she was trying to point out something that displeased her and Sasha just smiled away. It even happened after the scores came up in KnC

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrplQ-KBtgP/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=2qitc65jls41

I will always pull for this kid!!

I really liked her yesterday too!

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I'm walking away with too many favourites after this competition

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

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I'm walking away with too many favourites after this competition

The secret to happiness and zen is to enjoy them all for what they are and they are all great!!


I do miss Sima though

 

[DSQ]

that's actually the point. she is with Brian just few hours a week and most of the trainig schedule consist of another classed, dance, choreography, physyotheraphy that is not that expansive.

And for for the countrirs it is a not a bussiness but the prestige they invest in.

Very true. It just shows me though that compared to other sports you need a lot of up front investment. I hope Med keeps her funding at least.

 

[Fluture]

The secret to happiness and zen is to enjoy them all for what they are and they are all great!!

This really is the best advice one could give and it‘s so true! We will always have favorites, that‘s natural but I personally try to find something I like in every skater, whether it‘s the personality or a certain aspect of their performance. That makes it easier to root for them. Sasha‘s not my favorite by any means for example yet I immensely enjoy her SP, her gritty yet joyful personality and that 3Lz-3Lo to the music. And that‘s why despite rooting for others to win a bit more, I‘m not sad if someone like Sasha does either.

 

[DenissVFan]

This season I'm surprised by Konstantinova actually. And I really liked her skating yesterday, hope she can prove everyone wrong today too and skates clean again :luv17:

I liked her SP and I like her Anna Karenina too, so I hope she can deliver it like last year.

I also hope that Sofia delivers her FS like at the GPF.

I'm looking forward to all the 18 skaters today

 

[DSQ]

Sorry, I don't agree. A year ago he did not need her at all. Gabby was a WC medal winner up and running for the Olympics. But now, Gabby works on her problems, Lizbet went to Eteri. If nothing works out with Zhenya - and so far it is just lamentable - I am not sure what reputation as ladies' coach will he have with all his "caliber".

If she leaves him this season it will be his big failure. So that in his best interests is not to charge her at all before she come back to where she was before.

Unfortunately we do live in a capitalist society so I doubt that he’ll wave his fee totally but I agree Orser has put his reputation on the line with Med as a ladies coach. It’s unfair to think that way as competition results aren’t totally with a coaches control but I’ve come to realise that that is how the public perceives it.

He’s a good coach he’ll be okay in the long run. Most coaches go through periods of success and stagnation.