2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Vandevska]

Anyone keeping track of how many quads Sasha has landed?

Should we like have a predictions game of how many quads she lands until the end of the season?

 

[Backload]

Yesterday, I felt so sorry for Zhenya and today for Alina. Both girls are amazing. I hope both can learn from this experience and perform better next time.
Also, I hope both Nastias (T and G) don't give up. Those PCs were so low

 

[flanker]

5. Alina Zagitova - I am worrying more and more about her injuries (or growth pains as her team calls it hwell. The tapes are all over her legs. She still has this mental thing where if she makes a mistake at the beginning it's kinda like a domino effect and you get what happened today. So I just wanna ask you: if you were saying "zhenya's done" and more hurtful things when she ended up 14th yesterday, would you say that for Alina today after she ended up 12th in the fs? If yes, STOP YOURSELF IN THE TRACKS AND DON'T SEND EVEN MORE NEGATIVE THINGS TO YET ANOTHER SKATER, THEY REALLY DON'T NEED IT. I still can't believe she got more PCS than everyone except Zhenya for that skate today.....

I would like to say that exactly what is said here about Alina's domino effect we saw with Zhenya at least at JGP France. That is not something exclusively happening to Alina. I would also add that we have seen the very first fall of Alina during the whole season. So bashing her I see very out of the place.

Also, I do this again, shorter version. We had the opportunity to read very negative things about Alina even in friday. We have read that Alina's pcs was "shocking" even when she delivered completely clean program. So please, don't portray this in so biased way, you completely lack objectivity.

 

[DougDorsey]

Whoa, the slow motion shot starting here at 7:30 is perfection...

https://youtu.be/zFmxjqIj_mE?t=450

Zhenya really is a queen. I was happy to see her recover so well after her SP. As people have said, the process of reinventing herself with Orser will be a gradual one, but if today was indicative of the progress they've made so far, I'm encouraged.

 

[DougDorsey]

Am I correct that Anna was the youngest of the 18 skaters in the competition? If so, makes her victory all the more impressive.

 

[thexfireball]

Am I correct that Anna was the youngest of the 18 skaters in the competition? If so, makes her victory all the more impressive.

Trusova is younger

 

[Mista Ekko]

Trusova is younger

Well then the 2 youngest are both the winners

Those scores are practically the same :agree:

 

[Vandevska]

I would like to say that exactly what is said here about Alina's domino effect we saw with Zhenya at least at JGP France. That is not something exclusively happening to Alina. I would also add that we have seen the very first fall of Alina during the whole season. So bashing her I see very out of the place.

Also, I do this again, shorter version. We have the opportunity to read very negative things about Alina even in friday. We have read tha Alina's pcs was "shocking" even when she delivered completely clean program. So please, don't portray this in so biased way, you completely lack objectivity.

And I agree that we saw that with Zhenya in France. But I was commenting on today's competition. Obviously it's not exclusive to Alina.
You say this as if we read negative things only about Alina and no one else.
I for example didn't agree with both Zhenya's and Alina's PCS.... I said it a few times, it's not fair to the other skaters.
I also saw your previous comment, and felt super attacked. The point is, most comments here are just recyclables of "Alina sucks she's done she should change a coach" and "Zhenya sucks she's done and she was wrong to change a coach", whereas no one else gives any other opinion. I watched the whole competition today and gave comments on most skaters (the others I really didn't know). Instead of telling me what I am, I'd like you to give an explanation of things you liked and didn't like about the programs and skates.

 

[DougDorsey]

Trusova is younger

Ah, you're right. Anna was born on March 28, 2004. Sasha was born on June 23, 2004. Almost as close as their scores today .

 

[serephy]

Ah, you're right. Anna was born on March 28, 2004. Sasha was born on June 23, 2004. Almost as close as their scores today .

Tarakanova is also younger. She was born on April 14, 2004. So Anna is the third youngest.

 

[Tolstoj]

Nastya’s PCS were a joke. 58? At Nationals? Anya and Alena both got fairer PCS (though Alena should get even more) why not Nastya? Her interpretation and performance was beautiful!

But congrats to the 3A! This is the best podium I could’ve asked for... it’s only missing Alina...

It's obvious that she skated first, judges were so ready to screw the first skaters in order to push some other skaters (Zhenya, Sotskova-Tsurskaya or some other).

A real shame cause i thought her interpretation was incredible especially in the choreo sequence she really gave everything, more than other skaters here, i honestly think that free skate should have been ahead of Tarusina, Medvedeva, Samodurova and Konstantinova.

 

[DougDorsey]

Given what transpired today, is it safe to say it's unlikely that any of Anna, Sasha, or Alena will be held back in juniors next year? (I'm pretty sure this isn't even a choice with Alena and was unlikely to begin with for Sasha.)

If so, this could open the door to Kamila dominating juniors for the next few years. And makes me feel bad for all the talented Russian seniors who will face an even more uphill battle for representing their country in competition!

 

[serephy]

On the subject of Nastya, I'm just going to mention that it's now been reported that her grandmother passed away the morning of the SP.

Honestly, I'm impressed she skated here at all and I'm blown away by how well she did in the FS.

 

[DougDorsey]

Also, I noticed that Alena Kanysheva was the one Russian JGP finalist who wasn't at Nationals. Is that because she missed the age cutoff?

 

[Vandevska]

On the subject of Nastya, I'm just going to mention that it's now been reported that her grandmother passed away the morning of the SP.

Honestly, I'm impressed she skated here at all and I'm blown away by how well she did in the FS.

That's really sad

 

[Fluture]

I would like to say that exactly what is said here about Alina's domino effect we saw with Zhenya at least at JGP France. That is not something exclusively happening to Alina. I would also add that we have seen the very first fall of Alina during the whole season. So bashing her I see very out of the place.

Also, I do this again, shorter version. We have the opportunity to read very negative things about Alina even in friday. We have read tha Alina's pcs was "shocking" even when she delivered completely clean program. So please, don't portray this in so biased way, you completely lack objectivity.

Yeah, thanks we are aware of the fact that Zhenya is struggling psychologically at the moment. I don‘t think it’s any secret and I also don‘t understand at all why Vandevska would have mentioned it in a short analysis about Alina. Zhenya having a domino effect or Alina having one isn’t related to each other at all.

And I’m frankly tired of this whole thing about fans constantly complaining “but we have it worse“ or “my favourite skater has it worse“. This isn‘t a competition of who’s treated the worst. Both girls deserve nothing but respect. They sometimes don‘t get it and it‘s unfair but that‘s life. Both have it tough and both are struggling sometimes. Sometimes more, sometimes less. It happens. And when they do, we should send support and kind thoughts, whether or not we are a fan. And not use another skater messing up too as an excuse for our favourite not doing well. Zhenya didn‘t do well in a few competitions, the SP here included. This isn’t related to Alina at all. Just like Alina struggling today has nothing to do with Evgenia. They shouldn’t always be brought up together as if they were two sides of the same medal and people just couldn’t stop saying “Alina did xy but Zhenya did yx too, so...!“ or the other way round. Just look at them seperatively and not pick out a section of a post that focused on Alina and the issues she faced today and say “but zhenya had the same in france too!“ And don‘t do it the other way round eithery Because we know but it doesn’t have anything to do with each other.

And honestly, I wouldn‘t listen to those anyway who bash someone for the inflated PCS they get at NATIONALS where there‘s like the most biased scoring ever and it‘s all on reputation and past achievements and we know it. It‘s not fair and I‘s not happy for the poor girls like Nastya Tarakanova who were completely lowballed. But it is what it is and it‘s not like it‘s a new phenomenon.

I think it would do good for both sides of fans to just... calm down a bit and not put so much importance on what some people say.

 

[Tolstoj]

Given what transpired today, is it safe to say it's unlikely that any of Anna, Sasha, or Alena will be held back in juniors next year? (I'm pretty sure this isn't even a choice with Alena and was unlikely to begin with for Sasha.)

If so, this could open the door to Kamila dominating juniors for the next few years. And makes me feel bad for all the talented Russian seniors who will face an even more uphill battle for representing their country in competition!

Yeah i don't see the point of keeping one of them trapped in juniors for another year: they can win everything next season in seniors, they all proved at their best they are top skaters and Eteri already has Kamila to keep the dominance in juniors.

They can easily take Panenkova-Sotskova-Tsurskaya spots for the Grand Prix.

I'm worried for Tarakanova, she needed a good placement here to have a chance for one GP spot next season, and she shouldn't stay another year in juniors.

 

[Fluture]

On the subject of Nastya, I'm just going to mention that it's now been reported that her grandmother passed away the morning of the SP.

Honestly, I'm impressed she skated here at all and I'm blown away by how well she did in the FS.

Oh no.. That‘s so sad to her and I wish her all the strength. It‘s so impressive how she managed to find the strength to even be at this competition and do her best over two skates. She had an amazing FS despite all that has happened and she should be really proud of that. One day when the grieving has passed. Probably, her mind isn‘t too much on RusNats right now. But she still came here and competed and that is admirable and tough. What a strong and wonderful girl.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

On the subject of Nastya, I'm just going to mention that it's now been reported that her grandmother passed away the morning of the SP.

Honestly, I'm impressed she skated here at all and I'm blown away by how well she did in the FS.

Her FS today belongs in the RusFed archives filed under “Greatest Performances”

I can’t believe how lucky those fans were to witness that. She went full send :shocked:

Best program and StSeq of the year for me! There is something to be said for a skater throwing caution to the wind and just giving us everything they have and then some. I’m just so proud of her.

Do you think she’ll stay Junior another season?

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

I'm worried for Tarakanova, she needed a good placement here to have a chance for one GP spot next season, and she shouldn't stay another year in juniors.

Why not? She could have some real success next year on JGP. She’s only 14 yrs old.