2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[j00mla]

Because its part of the diplomacy dance.

dance, dance, dance https://coub.com/view/1eunx6

 

[DeeDee18]

That was a great task and she solved very smartly, but the little Russian team were in Korea not because of Evgenia's speech. I didn't see any result of her speech a lot of innocent athletes couldn't go after that! Interesting the Russians also don't think that was Evgenia's merit. If I right remember many Olympic champions ( not only Russian, but for ex Scott Hamilton signed a petition and they asked the IOC to change their decision..There was no result...

Well Evgenia can't tell IOC who to invite and who to not invite The whole point was that no one from Russia was gonna be allowed to compete because of sochi, even if an athlete did not even compete at sochi. Plus she talked about including OAR in the figure skating team event, because it was unclear whether that would be allowed. Her speech only influenced the IOC decision to be more lenient towards Russian athletes, which is a very big accomplishment. How many other athletes decided to go and stand up for their country?

 

[el henry]

dance, dance, dance https://coub.com/view/1eunx6

Can you explain what this means?
Who is the cartoon character? Why is she interspersed with Zhenya skating?

Thanks.

 

[j00mla]

Can you explain what this means?
Who is the cartoon character? Why is she interspersed with Zhenya skating?

Thanks.

This means no more than some similarities in the movements. All together it's like a dance. Isn't it?

 

[Scott512]

:agree:

Zhenya was the one who went before the IOC. Zhenya was the one who successfully pleaded a case that athletes from Russia be permitted to compete.

I say that as a “Westerner” (boy I hate those designations and do not find them helpful). If “Westerners” on the IOC had not been convinced, there would have been no OAR at the games.

“What if’s” are pie in the sky. What if someone else had gone? Who knows, who cares What if Nathan Chen had skated a clean short? who knows, who cares.

To be unable to even acknowledge this simple fact. Like wow

some people cannot acknowledge that simple fact. Unfortunate.

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Well Evgenia can't tell IOC who to invite and who to not invite The whole point was that no one from Russia was gonna be allowed to compete because of sochi, even if an athlete did not even compete at sochi. Plus she talked about including OAR in the figure skating team event, because it was unclear whether that would be allowed. Her speech only influenced the IOC decision to be more lenient towards Russian athletes, which is a very big accomplishment. How many other athletes decided to go and stand up for their country?

Well said. True.

 

[plushyfan]

I give a lot of credit to Zhenya for helping Russia even be in the Olympics and I know two people who also give her credit their names are Alina and Eteri. There careers are great because of the olympics. And the gold medal winning hockey team is also happy Russia was in the Olympics. ;

Well Evgenia can't tell IOC who to invite and who to not invite The whole point was that no one from Russia was gonna be allowed to compete because of sochi, even if an athlete did not even compete at sochi. Plus she talked about including OAR in the figure skating team event, because it was unclear whether that would be allowed. Her speech only influenced the IOC decision to be more lenient towards Russian athletes, which is a very big accomplishment. How many other athletes decided to go and stand up for their country?

OK. Maybe I'm wrong I remember wrongly but I followed that story so closely because I supported the Russian participation I read the Russian media, too. Can you show me a Russian or any article , an IOC official's statement which is prove Zhenya's influence in this matter?

Or a any thank from other athletes to Zhenya because of her role?

Don't get me wrong I'M not against Zhenya but this is totally new for me, I didn't heard this in this form.

 

[NoviceFan]

It's like asking someone to prove that he or she has a brain, but only by showing a piece of it

Here is an article from the NY Times, the day before the IOC deliberations on whether to ban Russia altogether from the Olympics. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/sports/olympics/russia-doping-olympics.html

I bet nobody needs a reminder that the IOC ended up allowing Russian athletes to compete as "Olympic Athletes from Russia." Or maybe somebody wants evidence of that, too... just to drag this conversation along...

OK. Maybe I'm wrong I remember wrongly but I followed that story so closely because I supported the Russian participation I read the Russian media, too. Can you show me a Russian or any article , an IOC official's statement which is prove Zhenya's influence in this matter?

Or a any thank from other athletes to Zhenya because of her role?

Don't get me wrong I'M not against Zhenya but this is totally new for me, I didn't heard this in this form.

 

[fabienne1996]

Alina had just bombed her free skate at Russian Nationals I'm sure she was devastated and her coaches were unhappy so under no circumstances were they going to stop and talk to or look at Zhenya or anyone else. Nor would Zhenya expect them to talk to her or make eye contact with her at that time and place.

I know that but the person who I commented to seems to thinks that those interactions or lack thereof and the tensions between eteri and zhenya ( as well as that in one foto zhenya was sitting away from the others)would be a good reason to say that zhenya should not be on the team cause alina apparently would then not be calm enough to skate clean.or at least that's what I got from those comments . Said author seemingly seems to forget the interactions between zhenya and alina at the gala. Both girls are ok with each other and are friendly with each other.

 

[DSQ]

With all due respect, as well, when Evgenia appeared before the IOC, she stood there not just as an 18 year old "cute girl" - she stood there, a 2X WORLD CHAMPION, 2X EUROPEAN CHAMPION, 2X NATIONAL CHAMPION, 2X ISU GRAND PRIX FINAL CHAMPION, FORMER WORLD JUNIOR CHAMPION, and at that point, a gold medal favorite in the Olympic games at issue.

So maybe "cute girl" was not one of the things on her resume that the Russian Federation thought would make Evgenia persuasive....

In case the point STILL escapes you - I can spell it out, too: what was at stake there was whether there should be a ban on Russian athletes. Evgenia is exactly the kind that you want to put in front of the decisionmakers - a clean, accomplished athlete who was a (gold) medal contender at the Olympic games, and who would be directly, severely and irreparably prejudiced by an indiscriminate ban on all Russian athletes.

You actually make a very fair point here and I have no doubt that it was Medvedeva’s spotless reputation that led to her being chosen to represent Team Russia in this matter.

However I also understand why this disagreement started. To solely credit Medvedeva for the Olympic Athletes From Russia being invited is taking deserved credit away from the countless diplomats, athletes and Russian Olympic Committee members who worked behind the scenes to even have an opportunity for her to give this speech.

Also the Olympics is very much a political tool and knowing how these things go would lead me to *assume* that this deal was all worked out before hand, but this doesn’t mean that Medvedeva’s contribution was without merit.

 

[malya]

What is the problem with Zhenyas speech at IOC now?

It was

1.) Good publicity for Russia
2.) Good publicity for the IOC
3.) Good publicity for Zhenya.

Yes, 'her speech' did not suceed to let the athletes compete for Russia or under the Russian flag, but who realisticly expected it? I'm sure she did exactly what she was told to do from politicians. It's not like she made any dumb remarks, I'd like to say she did pretty well. Send any other athlete and they would also 'not suceed' because I'm sure it was decided before and to not sent everybody and no flag...

This was a year ago btw.

What happens soon is a cup in Moskau with Akatieva, Valieva, Kanysheva,.. and tons of other interesting juniors before the jrRusNats!

Like an actual competition with top level Russian Ladies! And a lot of girls we will see in

 

[icetug]

Yes, this article before the IOC session. I would like to see an article where her name was mentioned and say it as her merit. The Russians didn't praised her because of it. That would have been the best evidence.

It's based on "Vesti.ru", suppose it's Russian source? And the site is also mentioned as one of the most important Russian sites. So here you are:
https://news.rambler.ru/asia/386070...de-of-the-ioc-ban-on-russian-flag-and-anthem/

Vitali Smirnov, Honorary President of the ROC: «We all said what we found necessary to say. Then we waited for a long time, for about two and a half hours. It took the IOC EB so much to discuss the issue. After this, the President personally invited the three of us. And we were made aware of the IOC EB decision. Obviously, it was difficult to make such a decision.»

Of course, Evgenia Medvedeva also gave a speech. In English, she sent an important message to the IOC EB members She refused to reveal what exactly she said at the press-conference. But it's important that it wasn't in vain. She came here and spoke for all the clean athletes. For the athletes who are supposed to win medals in the Olympics, let's say so. Knock on wood.

Nota bene, it's funny that people from outside Russia appreciate more Evgenia's role in the IOC decision that the Russians do.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

What happens soon is a cup in Moskau with Akatieva, Valieva, Kanysheva,.. and tons of other interesting juniors before the jrRusNats!

Like an actual competition with top level Russian Ladies! And a lot of girls we will see in

Yes, yes, yes! A great level of competition.

Akatieva's not in it. But Valieva, Usacheva, Kromykh, Kanysheva, Kostyuk, Shabotova, Frolova, and Chaplygina are all in juniors. And Sinitsyna, Safonova, Emelyanova, Fomina, Istomina, and Gracheva are all in seniors!

 

[DSQ]

Who is eligible to compete in the Russian Cup? Just skaters at Senior nationals?

 

[Fluture]

Yes, yes, yes! A great level of competition.

Akatieva's not in it. But Valieva, Usacheva, Kromykh, Kanysheva, Kostyuk, Shabotova, Frolova, and Chaplygina are all in juniors. And Sinitsyna, Safonova, Emelyanova, Fomina, Istomina, and Gracheva are all in seniors!

That sounds great! I‘ll admit, I only know about half of the names of the girls competing but I‘ll be rooting for Kamila, Daria and little Alena! Is there a way to watch it?

And will our favorite junior trio compete somewhere before Junior Nats? I can‘t wait to see them again!

 

[moriel]

Nota bene, it's funny that people from outside Russia appreciate more Evgenia's role in the IOC decision that the Russians do.

As russian, I simply do not believe that major political decisions are made like that.
I believe that the decision would be exactly the same if russia chose to send Zagitova, for example, instead of Medvedeva. Or Masha Sotskova. IOC did not need to be presented a clean and brilliant russian athlete to aknowledge the existance of such. The decision was made, and the russian delegation to Lausanne was basically one of the political rituals that usually come with the process of decision making.

 

[Alexz]

That sounds great! I‘ll admit, I only know about half of the names of the girls competing but I‘ll be rooting for Kamila, Daria and little Alena! Is there a way to watch it?

And will our favorite junior trio compete somewhere before Junior Nats? I can‘t wait to see them again!

Probably here on JuniorTV, they have few livestream broadcastings scheduled for 12th and 13th: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7IvcuUJ4AH19WO4Om-44JA My Moscow connection send me this link this morning.

 

[Fluture]

Just one question: Who cares whether Zhenya‘s speech made a change to the final decision or not? Fact is, she went there as a clean, accomplished athlete with many titles to her resume and made an effort for her country. Whether that influenced the final decision or not is irrelevant. She did what she could and that‘s admirable. Period. No one is saying IOC changed their minds only due to Zhenya‘s speech. That would be stupid.

Can we just agree on the fact that she did it, that it was brave and she did it well? Just give her credit for that because that‘s what she deserves. Everything else is, yes, trolling.

And frankly, I don‘t even know why we‘re still discussing this. There are so many other Russian ladies, Zhenya isn‘t the only one.

Users actually brought up a new topic already, there‘s an upcoming Russian competition with many future hopes taking part. I didn‘t know about that, so I’m glad that there’s this thread where I get updated about ALL Russian ladies, even the little ones. Let‘s talk about that. Or Junior Nationals. By any means, let‘s talk about Sasha‘s puppy Tina as long as it‘s a change of topic! Just anything that does not involve Zhenya, her coaching change, Brian Orser being a good/bad coach and her going/not going to Worlds. Let‘s wait at least until Euros are over.

 

[Fluture]

Probably here on JuniorTV, they have few livestream broadcastings scheduled for 11th and 12th: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7IvcuUJ4AH19WO4Om-44JA My Moscow connection send me this link this morning.

Thank you a lot! It’s great to have people with Moscow connections or simply more knowledge about upcoming national competitions because otherwise I wouldn’t even hear about them! I have only seen Eteri‘s new Juniors compete once and that was only Kamila and Daria without Maria Khromykh, so it‘s about time! Do we know when exactly the ladies will start?

 

[Alexz]

Thank you a lot! It’s great to have people with Moscow connections or simply more knowledge about upcoming national competitions because otherwise I wouldn’t even hear about them! I have only seen Eteri‘s new Juniors compete once and that was only Kamila and Daria without Maria Khromykh, so it‘s about time! Do we know when exactly the ladies will start?

You are certainly welcome.

Not sure about the timetable. I was told the schedule is yet a bit rough at this point since they still have to process all the participation requests from all the coaches and their skaters from Moscow clubs. So be aware, this schedule is not set in stone: https://www.sportvokrug.ru/r/competition/4649/Расписание.docx

But online live broadcasting will be there and will be saved on this YouTube. Probably not a HQ, just 1 camera following a skater on ice. No KnC probably too.

 

[malya]

Yes, yes, yes! A great level of competition.

Akatieva's not in it. But Valieva, Usacheva, Kromykh, Kanysheva, Kostyuk, Shabotova, Frolova, and Chaplygina are all in juniors. And Sinitsyna, Safonova, Emelyanova, Fomina, Istomina, and Gracheva are all in seniors!

Ahh, thank you I'm stupid <3

RusFed (or whoever is responsible) does a good job with all these competitions for juniors + novices. The best: Most are broadcast *_*

Mishin camps should also have a gala today, so I'm hoping to see a video of Liza jumping something. I'm happy with anything at this point

Can I mention Zhenya training at CSKA without any speculation? The Hamada girls did international camps/trips to work on their jumps, so I'm hoping for a spin camp/endurance training to get some progress there but please keep your distance from 'URs should not be called' Buianova ;]