2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Lechat]

so does this mean Sonya will 100% be on the world team?

I think for the worlds they will send the same team at the GPF

 

[rachno2]

You were comparing how Evgenia could fix her technique and Alina could do the same, but you forgot to add how hard it was for Evgenia. I added what you lacked, like her consistence and her mental game. As you said Alina is strong, very, but compare her to Evgenia, (like you were doing at the beginning)


I just kept playing in the comparison game you created

I don't understand your point. I never said it isn't hard for Medvedeva, and I never said it would be easy for Zagitova. I think it will be difficult for both Medvedeva and Zagitova to fix their technique, but I think they should both be given the opportunity and support to do so. And I did mention Medvedeva’s consistency and mental game.

I don't favor one's success over the other

 

[EdRoz]

She doesn't need to change coach but her coach needs to change her method. It’s heartbreaking to see her doing well during practice until she can’t jump anymore. Alina doesn’t have the same stamina like last year, she’s growing and she’s older now.

Don’t forget about carrot and stick , it works, and Alina know it..
not only carrots every day

 

[pearly]

I think her team will get rid off her during this summer. I suspect that they will put so much pressure on her in training (and what we have seen in yestderday training session will be nothing), that she will not be able to cope and she will either retire or move to another coach, although she would not want it, because she is attached to this team.
But this is the strategy of team Tutberidze. They get rid off the skaters that are not highly competitive (anymore) and they will have 3 new very skilled seniors next season so...
Yes, yes... it is just my opinion at this point of time - for the advocates of Eteri.

Do you have a link?

 

[madison]

Do you have a link?

yes, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-UN55vDWg8

 

[Lechat]

Don’t forget about carrot and stick , it works, and Alina know it..
not only carrots every day

Seeing her result today it doesn’t work anymore. Rusnat was a warning and being under the 200 marks means something is wrong and it’s not about Alina.

 

[Sugar Coated]

I don't get this "Alina isn't strong mentally" discourse. I agree she doesn't have Medvedeva's iron-willed consistency, but she is a great competitor nonetheless. Just look at what she did at the Olympics: not only did she deliver three clean skates under tremendous pressure, but she added the lutz-loop combo in the individual free skate after missing it the first time. She was clearly exhausted at Worlds, so I don't really consider that a failure of her nerves. I agree she is struggling with pressure, but she always fights her way through her programs. I think she's more tenacious than people are giving her credit for.

If Alina wants to retire after this season, then that's her prerogative. She has accomplished what the vast majority of people can only dream of. But I think if she wants to continue, it's worth a shot.

I think her success at the Olympics was in large part because she wasn't expected to win. Its much easier mentally to go in thinking, "no one really expects much of me, I'll just do my best." Being the underdog, come from behind athlete is a much easier place to be in for many people. Its a lot harder to have the pressure of being expected to win everything. Especially when she's had a couple bad skates but is still expected to be the top. To me she is skating not to lose and that's never good. She's skating tight and doesn't look relaxed or confident. She also looks both physically and mentally tired.

I also think that Eteri's solution to everything is to train harder and I don't think that's going to help. I really hope someone helps her mentally. Actually it might be good for her to talk to Adelina and Yulia about their experiences to help normalize and provide support. I also think its not such a bad thing that she's had two rough skates before Worlds. Now Rika is the clear favorite and there is reduced expectations on Alina.

 

[Vandevska]

yes, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-UN55vDWg8

Uff I remember this from earlier today

 

[fabienne1996]

Seeing her result today it doesn’t work anymore. Rusnat was a warning and being under the 200 marks means something is wrong and it’s not about Alina.

I hope that we will not see her going the way like Yulia and others did.i hope she realises that no eating less and getting thinner and thinner won't work (at least not longterm) and that that method is dangerous and that it can turn ugly fast. I loved and still love Yulia and alina begins to remind me of her after her Olympics too. I really hope that alina doesn't begin to starve herself . She is already so thin and looks like she lost so much from RusNats to now. Please alina that is not the right way to drop so much weight.

 

[EdRoz]

I hope that we will not see her going the way like Yulia and others did.i hope she realises that no eating less and getting thinner and thinner won't work (at least not longterm) and that that method is dangerous and that it can turn ugly fast. I loved and still love Yulia and alina begins to remind me of her after her Olympics too. I really hope that alina doesn't begin to starve herself . She is already so thin and looks like she lost so much from RusNats to now. Please alina that is not the right way to drop so much weight.

What are you talking about??? Alina is taller , but not thinner, in a VERY good shape for figure skater..why are you starting this conversation again?

Alina today

https://imgur.com/gallery/8FeaQsB

 

[sweetice]

The major risk right now is that Alina may think of retirement, if leaved by Eteri, but it's something that we can easily see it happen at the end of this season. Eteri is not supporting her, she's just using her, because this season she haven't another choice.

What, or we better say "how", this is happening is 99% Eteri's fault, imho, but i think it's already inscribing all the **** she'll going to trow on Alina, when will be ready to leave her out (again).

Don't take this like a trolling rumbling. I think it's something very sad.

 

[malya]

I feel like I jinxed Alina with my worries yesterday... If they come true, it proves RusFed does not care at all about their skaters. Poor girl needs a break and not some dumb skate off to prove whatever again when she clearly was russian no1 for the first half of the season, and no2 for the rest.

Btw, this gloating about a 16 yo girl not winning gold is sad to read. Every second russian lady (and every Eteri girl) is done with puberty, we get it. I'm trying to keep faaaar away from russian press the next days - surely it will be about how Alina has no future with her silver instead of focussing on Sofia and how great she is

Very, very happy about my bb Sofia winning and securing her place in the worlds team! This was very unexpected and at the start of the season I did not expect she would get a fair chance to get to the top - but luckily she got a few chances and nailed every single one!! Small scoring potential my *ss.

Fun fact: Check her score at SkA and compare with Europeans. Reputation and fed backing does not matter at all... She just improved sooo much during the season I guess

 

[EdRoz]

The major risk right now is that Alina may think of retirement, if leaved by Eteri, but it's something that we can easily see it happen at the end of this season. Eteri is not supporting her, she's just using her, because this season she haven't another choice.

What, or we better say "how", this is happening is 99% Eteri's fault, imho, but i think it's already inscribing all the **** she'll going to trow on Alina, when will be ready to leave her out (again).

Don't take this like a trolling rumbling. I think it's something very sad.

Sorry, but I think that Alyona Kostornaya have no future in Eteri team, not Alina..
it’s not a trolling,but reality

 

[sweetice]

Sorry, but I think that Alyona Kostornaya have no future in Eteri team, not Alina..
it’s not a trolling,but reality

I'm more worried to have to see Alena's future on Eteri's hands than not, but we was talking about Alina, why put Alena on this ?

 

[Globetrotter]

Sorry, but I think that Alyona Kostornaya have no future in Eteri team, not Alina..
it’s not a trolling,but reality

Hmm why do you say that? Of Eteri’s 3A, I will say that Alyona has possibly got some of the best basics. She just needs to learn how to use her edges to power up further. I do believe that their stronger base means they may have better longevity under Eteri who is also learning and refining her methods progressively (I hope).

 

[EdRoz]

I'm more worried to have to see Alena's future on Eteri's hands than not, but we was talking about Alina, why put Alena on this ?

this is Russian ladies thread and we can talk about all of them, not only about Alina ..new conversation

 

[anonymoose_au]

So excited for Sofia! Congratulations! I love her skating, she's got sass and consistency!

Also I see Stanislava had a really good free too, although it looks like she won't be going to World's?

Finally, I'm sorry Alina is having such a hard time, I hope she can have a bit of a break between this and Worlds, the growth spurt really seems to be affecting her!

 

[sweetice]

this is Russian ladies thread and we can talk about all of them, not only about Alina ..new conversation

Ok, then explain it.

To me, Alena right now is the safe project of Eteri. They seem to be following a pattern on the others, put on them the most difficult things ever, like doing an experiment, without know at all for how much time that job will pay.

If i need to say who will have better chances to be able to do the same layout as now on the future, the response is Alena. Not because it's her, it's the layout itself to be more... "normal". She have different points of strength, and she's already gaining a lot of PCS because of that.

There's always the need of someone consistent, if who have an higher base value risk way more to mess around, and be out of medals.

Alina ? I'm not say it's done, and if i think she risk to retire is only because she have already won the olympics. What i think it's done is their working relationship. Eteri is renowned to put more fire on this kind of problems than be able, and care, to help.

 

[Lechat]

Sorry, but I think that Alyona Kostornaya have no future in Eteri team, not Alina..
it’s not a trolling,but reality

I don’t agree Alyona is very talented and she can shine in senior next saison if she can cope with the very demanding load of work from Eteri.

 

[Lechat]

Ok, then explain it.

To me, Alena right now is the safe project of Eteri. They seem to be following a pattern on the others, put on them the most difficult things ever, like doing an experiment, without know at all for how much time that job will pay.

If i need to say who will have better chances to be able to do the same layout as now on the future, the response is Alena. Not because it's her, it's the layout itself to be more... "normal". She have different points of strength, and she's already gaining a lot of PCS because of that.

There's always the need of someone consistent, if who have an higher base value risk way more to mess around, and be out of medals.

Alina ? I'm not say it's done, and if i think she risk to retire is only because she have already won the olympics. What i think it's done is their working relationship. Eteri is renowned to put more fire on this kind of problems than be able, and care, to help.

I don’t think she will retire not before becoming the next world champion and maybe she also wants to make the next olympic games like yuna