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He is more likely to pop the second axel in the FS, so not popping the first doesn't mean as much. Curious about the 4Lz too. Has anyone at all seen it any time recently?
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Sigh, just remembered how 4T+3T in the second half was nothing to Misha last season :sad21: We never knew what we had till we lost it.
By the way, in the newest round of "send everyone to Raf" there is Alina to keep Misha company.
I miss his free skates last season because they were always so predictable. Fall on opening quads, get it together in the second half, pop the final loop. At least we don’t even have to wait a month to see him again. I also hope he keeps this layout.
Anyway, this is a tough post-Olympic season. It happens. He’s learned a lot going into the next quad.
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I calculated and the success rate on the loop last season was 60/40, so not as bad as everyone seems to remember.
At least we don’t even have to wait a month to see him again. I also hope he keeps this layout.
Anyway, this is a tough post-Olympic season. It happens. He’s learned a lot going into the next quad.
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I haven't seen any report about his 4lz since Worlds. Some throwaway comment about him still training it, if I'm not wrong, but nothing beyond that.
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Are we sure he's doing the Russia Cup Final? I only read TAT's words. Or did he/his team commit to it?
No, we don’t know for sure. Aliev confirmed he is going. I assume Misha will go as well, if only for the practice. I think Misha has a spot no matter what, but he probably has to show up and compete at the very least.
If they were only using it to decide the ladies team, I think they would have said so. But I could be wrong.
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What they said officially is that they want to look at alternates at the RCF.
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Yeah, I gathered that as much. I'd say, depending on how Misha feels about his hand and general state, and with a nod from the Fed, he might skip it.
Oh, I didn’t know that. I guess they can see how Kovtun is looking at Universiade, so there is no need to make him do the Final. Samarin has beyond proven himself. Misha, imo, has proven himself, too, but people seem to want to group him in the same category as Kovtun.
Off topic, but I hope it is the same for the ladies. Poor Alina doesn’t need to be doing any more competitions than she needs to.
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Hi everyone! sorry I am late to chime in with the discussion! My opinion after re-watching (with my eyes half-closed) is that a fall on 3A was a freak accident, nothing was wrong with the jump he practically landed it and then slipped on the edge totally unprepared for such an outcome, I would not be surprised if he clarifies later that he hit some ice cavity or what the right name for it. That misfortune and not the fall on the 4S sadly decided the course of the rest of the program.
He didn't look fazed after the fall on 4S (as sometimes did happen last season on 4Lz fall) he was up quickly as lighting and into 4T with ease and everything looked as he was likely to regain his composure in the second half with a mad support of the audience.
Though I wish they went for a simpler layout I do understand that he wanted to do a 3 quad LP and believed he could do it based on his practices. Here is where I disagree with their approach, I think it is kinda too optimistic so to speak. How many successful full runthroughs he's done of that exact layout? Even if it was like 80% success rate it is not enough along with the fact that he was into a full training regime only just 2 - 2.5 weeks after his illness. It is nothing considering the pressure he was going into this LP. I have to remind myself again and again that his is a very inexperienced team and Mika is sort of quinea pig (alas) but I by now accepted the fact that nothing ever is going to change in that regard and he would stay with Valentina for better or worse. We have to embrace ourselves for further highs and lows (honestly the cruelty of going from the excitement of Thursday to what followed on Saturday!) hopefully more highs along the way as they gain more experience. When he is on it is sooo good that I am kinda willing to pay the price of being thrown into despair next.
My mother who is well in her 80s and had not watched FS for decades now beacause the falls frighten and upset her, finally succumbed to my pleas and watched his LP (what a rotten luck!) to my amazement she was in total awe, said that she instantly understood why I am so mad about Mika, that he is not an athlete but a true artist and a ballet dancer with tons of charisma, so we got a new fan
Re Russian Cup, the idea Mika can be replaced on the team is totally ridiculous but I don't see any harm in him doing some more competitions between now and Saitama, and Russian Cup timing is perfect (provided his wrist is fine
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He didn't look fazed after the fall on 4S (as sometimes did happen last season on 4Lz fall) he was up quickly as lighting and into 4T with ease and everything looked as he was likely to regain his composure in the second half with a mad support of the audience.
Though I wish they went for a simpler layout I do understand that he wanted to do a 3 quad LP and believed he could do it based on his practices. Here is where I disagree with their approach, I think it is kinda too optimistic so to speak. How many successful full runthroughs he's done of that exact layout? Even if it was like 80% success rate it is not enough along with the fact that he was into a full training regime only just 2 - 2.5 weeks after his illness. It is nothing considering the pressure he was going into this LP. I have to remind myself again and again that his is a very inexperienced team and Mika is sort of quinea pig (alas) but I by now accepted the fact that nothing ever is going to change in that regard and he would stay with Valentina for better or worse. We have to embrace ourselves for further highs and lows (honestly the cruelty of going from the excitement of Thursday to what followed on Saturday!) hopefully more highs along the way as they gain more experience. When he is on it is sooo good that I am kinda willing to pay the price of being thrown into despair next.
My mother who is well in her 80s and had not watched FS for decades now beacause the falls frighten and upset her, finally succumbed to my pleas and watched his LP (what a rotten luck!) to my amazement she was in total awe, said that she instantly understood why I am so mad about Mika, that he is not an athlete but a true artist and a ballet dancer with tons of charisma, so we got a new fan
Re Russian Cup, the idea Mika can be replaced on the team is totally ridiculous but I don't see any harm in him doing some more competitions between now and Saitama, and Russian Cup timing is perfect (provided his wrist is fine
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I think his training time after RusNats was certainly too little to go from one quad to multiple quads, but Misha has been telling us all season that he wanted to increase his content from competition to competition, and for that to happen, he must have been doing better in training. Before his trip to the hospital, they said he was getting better and better, and I think when he finally felt healthier now than before, they must have realized he would be ready for this layout. He wouldn't really land all his stuff, but he could have tried if it wasn't for the fall on the axel (and I wondered about the state of the ice after S/K fell on the RD).
But anyway, I don't like this mindset that Valentina and her team don't act on Misha's best interests, especially when it's been said time and time again that he's the one doing a lot of the executive decisions about his programs/training. Also, wasn't Semenenok the one that asked Misha after the SP if it wasn't better to compete healthy--like he had to realize that himself. So yeah, Misha is a grown man, who makes decisions for himself, and sometimes they're just wrong, and I think Valentina and the team just won't crash head-first with him over that. And they all have to grow up together as a team too.
Yeah, I’m not upset about the layout. This was the one Misha was working his way up to all season, and he had to go all in at some point. Better to test it out here, especially when he is healthy and training is going well, than wait until Worlds. Nobody could have predicted that freak fall on the axel.
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At the same time now we never know had things gone differently would he had a stamina to skate the rest of the program - with another 4T and 3A? I have some doubts tbh
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And another thing I know I am like a broken record on this one but why not do a most reliable jump first - 3lz? Just to get a bit of a confidence boost. I wish Stanislava would do her 2A first in a SP, most likely it will fine and if not at least the point loss is minimal compared to a combination
It is things like that that drive me mad about their team - why not try a different approach, both Mika and Stasya can work with a psychologist all the hours of the day but nothing will ever change the fact that they are not good competitors and one just have to accept and adapt the strategy to that fact.
It is things like that that drive me mad about their team - why not try a different approach, both Mika and Stasya can work with a psychologist all the hours of the day but nothing will ever change the fact that they are not good competitors and one just have to accept and adapt the strategy to that fact.
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I just don't think he'd like to push his harder jumps to 'later' in the program, especially with the state of his loop. Not a surprise he has it in the layout before a quad and his axel combo. If he pulled the 3A-2T to the start, he'd have both quads back to back before the loop, and then another quad.
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Are you saying that the issue is that Mika not following advice of his team? Yes it seems that he can be stubborn but if a skater makes all the decisions himself regarding the layout for example then something is not working in this relationship. Does he not trust Valentina's judgment? I just looked at the scores/protocols again and it does hurt that he could have won that title with 2 4Ts as easily as you like
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I don't think trusting Valentina's judgement is the point, I just feel like ultimately he makes more decisions about his own career than anyone else, because that's the way he was brought up to do, and that's the way their relationship works - and also because he's already in his mid-twenties, and with a baggage of taking responsibility from young age, so that kind of thing changes people, molds them. It's one of the things I think would probably put strain on any relationship between him and another coach, not that Misha's stubborn and doesn't think about the things he should, but that there's a rapport between him and his team that is the way it is, and it mostly works, because he wouldn't be where he is now solely on raw talent.
A big part of what happened with him before RusNats was because HE thought he could keep going, and unless you go inside someone's body, you never know for sure how they're feeling. I know we saw the signs coming a mile away, and I'm sure they saw it too, but Misha said himself he could do things in training, and perhaps they all believed he would get better eventually. But he didn't, and after what Semenenok said in the K&C to him, it became pretty clear to me that Misha was the one that thought he could keep going. Also, we have to remember that Misha has studied figure skating, so he has knowledge already, some of it acquired from Valentina and the team, some during his studies, and it probably made him more of an active agent in his training than just a passive listener.
I'm going to reiterate my thoughts, which I've made clear time and time again: I don't think for even a minute that his relationship with the team is the problem. Sometimes they make the wrong decisions, but it's not like you can control everything. Also, expecting Misha to turn into a different person under the tutelage of someone else might come at a different cost. Some people are just the way they are and they won't change. But I do think he is still under the shadow of his Olympic year and what it done to him. Maybe it will blow over in the off season, maybe things will get better, and we can only hope so, but as it was pointed by vorravorra more than once, Misha has never been a constant and consistent skater, and there's no magic in the world to change that. Other skaters have gotten better with age-- and Carolina Kostner comes to my mind. We don't know his future, maybe in a couple of seasons he'll be a different skater too.
Regarding the title at Euros, could he have won with two 4ts? He could have won with one quad and a fall on another, if we go by his skate at Nepela, but Misha wanted to do his best to secure the title, and that was not playing safe. How would he know that Javi wouldn't score twenty points more than he did? It was impossible to know before the competition, so for me it seems like he wanted to lay all cards on the table. It didn't work out, unfortunately. But I'm pretty sure had he gone the safest route and ended up falling behind in the same way, or maybe just landing himself back again on the third place, his situation wouldn't change that much.
And I know that analyzing scores and protocols is really enticing, I do that all the time, which is why I keep dreaming about the 200+ point free skate he could have had this time.
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