2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Sam-Skwantch]

So did Yulia just spell her name Julia right next to her signature?

https://pp.userapi.com/c846323/v846323074/190006/prO0N9tUP8I.jpg

I mean I know it doesn’t really matter but I feel like she finally has a say in this age old debate


Pretty cool the rink let them do this IMO

 

[readernick]

People should already make peace with the fact that Eteri works with youngsters,it is just getting old. So that's her thing and it works,and as they say "if it works don't fix it".

Yes,it is sort of business,Eteri offers her services,and if you don't like the behavior you're always free to decline these services and leave for "other accomplished coaches", like many of her former students did,what's the problem.

It does work for her. Why would she fix it? I agree.

The real issue is that there are very young kids involved and so they themselves are not really capable or legally allowed to make decisions on their own. If it were only adults being trained (like Morisi or Elizabet only) , I would 100% agree with what you said. But, these are mostly minors so decisions are made by the federation or their parents and the children’s health is what is risked. Most of Eteri’s students do decline her services when they reach an age where they are allowed to decided for themselves.

This issue though is not just with Eteri’s camp or even just related to figure skating. It is an ethical issue for all parents/ officials involved in all dangerous sports. How much should adults risk the health of kids in return for winning?

 

[narcissa]

People should already make peace with the fact that Eteri works with youngsters,it is just getting old. So that's her thing and it works,and as they say "if it works don't fix it".

Yes,it is sort of business,Eteri offers her services,and if you don't like the behavior you're always free to decline these services and leave for "other accomplished coaches", like many of her former students did,what's the problem.

Not gonna take any side of this inter-coach drama right now but "if it works don't fix it" and "if you don't like it just leave" do not give you free passes to do what you want with children.

Same with "don't criticize if you can't do quads" -- erm, why not? No one should be immune to criticism even when they're objectively the best.

 

[madison]

How much of this though, is just the nature of the sport for women? Midori Ito, Sasha Cohen, Mao Asada, Nicole Bobek, Gracie Gold and Liza had a few years where they were spectacular, and then, although they held on, the spectacular aspect of their skating (mainly the jumps) were no longer what they once were. f(I could have added at least 1/2 a dozen more of the Japanese girls) In modern jumping times I'm just not sure any woman has more than a few years of peak jumping ability. It isn't always a puberty issue (Cohen's body type barely changed, but her huge triple flips at 14 were gone by 17), it is more complicated than that. I do worry that Eteri's girls are over worked, over dieted, and over stressed (Alina). On the other hand, Yulia had a very modest jumping ability, would she have even made the Olympic team with another coach? Eteri does turn kids into champions, and for many of these kids, this is what THEY want most in the world. I think Zhenya, Alina and Yulia all achieved way more with Eteri than they ever could have without her.

I totally agree with this, but it would be ideal if Eteri and co could find a path to extend the skaters' "life". But she is still young for a coach and i think and hope she is striving to that.

 

[plushyfan]

It is not jealousy. I am not involved in figure skating( just occasianally watch it), but i can see that that school has some issues. They dont have any adult skaters, except Moris and their skaters as soon as enter the puberty collapse. I havent seen any other coach behaving as Eteri with the skaters. And getting the results is not an excuse for that behaviour. There are other accomplished coaches, such as Mishin, Moskvina, Marie France, Orser, just to name a few, that got the results and didnt act as Eteri. Especially because she works mainly with kids, she and her team should pay much more attention to how they handle the mental part of the training, otherwise they can leave the athletes wih traumas. Another fact is that as soon as the skaters are not competitive, they put so much pressure on them that they have to leave. Instead of supporting them during difficult times. Because they, the coaches, know that they have other skaters to replace them with... it is a truly business.

We must give some years to Eteri..and the junior girls to become lady..we will see! Until then, it's just guessing.

 

[My FS]

On the championship of Russia on juniors made commercials in support of a A.Trusova, A. Kostornaia,A.Shcherbakova.I really love them.
A Trusova space girl. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV6dtb2PaH4&t=21s
A. Kostornaia beautiful grace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIEacEo4ev0&t=75s
A.Shcherbakova Khrustalnyi Princess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYaBmSyUIGc&t=9s
Look I tried.

 

[Vandevska]

I don't know how impressive it is because I don't know when are kids getting their jumps nowadays, but I found it interesting: Here's a video from Ilina Askarova (from Pluschenko's academy) doing a 2Lo.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Btfg790jy-h/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

On the championship of Russia on juniors made commercials in support of a A.Trusova, A. Kostornaia,A.Shcherbakova.I really love them.
A Trusova space girl. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV6dtb2PaH4&t=21s
A. Kostornaia beautiful grace https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIEacEo4ev0&t=75s
A.Shcherbakova Khrustalnyi Princess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYaBmSyUIGc&t=9s
Look I tried.

They look nice ^_^

 

[melgirl25]

Maybe envy more than jealousy. But Averbukh said its coach jealousy so....he would know more than most.

Google searched:

The main difference between envy and jealousy is that envy is the emotion of coveting what someone else has, while jealousy is the emotion related to fear that something you have will be taken away by someone else.

I think envy makes more sense or could be both. Btw, I think yes it is probable that some coaches either in Russia or elsewhere are envious or jealous (fear being replaced) by other successful coaches. It is unfortunately in the culture of figure skating and varies on the club. When I skated, there was so much cattiness between coaches and it can trickle down to the skaters. I went back many years later and still the same nonsense.

 

[koatcue]

Google searched:

The main difference between envy and jealousy is that envy is the emotion of coveting what someone else has, while jealousy is the emotion related to fear that something you have will be taken away by someone else.

I think envy makes more sense or could be both. Btw, I think yes it is probable that some coaches either in Russia or elsewhere are envious or jealous (fear being replaced) by other successful coaches. It is unfortunately in the culture of figure skating and varies on the club. When I skated, there was so much cattiness between coaches and it can trickle down to the skaters. I went back many years later and still the same nonsense.

Come on, the interview was in russian. Actually there are two different words for those you describing above: " revnost' "=jealousy, " zavist' "=envy. I won't check, but I think it was zavist'

 

[melgirl25]

Come on, the interview was in russian. Actually there are two different words for those you describing above: " revnost' "=jealousy, " zavist' "=envy. I won't check, but I think it was zavist'

I agree with you. The worlds mean different things which is what I said in my post. I think Averbukh may have meant envy instead and something could have gotten lost in auto translate.

 

[DenissVFan]

Liza T. and Nastia Guliakova are getting ready for Slovenia and both posted 3As today.

 

[madison]

Liza T. and Nastia Guliakova are getting ready for Slovenia and both posted 3As today.

wow, good luck to them :agree:

 

[BossT]

Alyona KOSTORNAYA - Our Favourite Elements (Rus Jr Nats 2019) [50 fps]
https://youtu.be/U59DGKlpXmk

 

[tempo]

A new interview with Maria Sotskova
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBMdkYmOW-g

 

[Tolstoj]

It is not jealousy. I am not involved in figure skating( just occasianally watch it), but i can see that that school has some issues. They dont have any adult skaters, except Moris and their skaters as soon as enter the puberty collapse. I havent seen any other coach behaving as Eteri with the skaters. And getting the results is not an excuse for that behaviour. There are other accomplished coaches, such as Mishin, Moskvina, Marie France, Orser, just to name a few, that got the results and didnt act as Eteri. Especially because she works mainly with kids, she and her team should pay much more attention to how they handle the mental part of the training, otherwise they can leave the athletes wih traumas.

Mishin and Moskvina are very few rare examples of top class professors who also try to improve weak skaters and keep them instead of throwing everything in the garbage.

Most of the other coaches behaved more or less like Eteri in the past and then the PR nonsense from them or the federation or someone else always came to pander.

Frank Carroll when he was the best coach in US, he used to act very similarly to Eteri now, always preferring the little girls pushing them to the limits, with super strict diets...

And by the way, how long Tara Lipinski's career lasted again?

Orser has his own way to leave skaters as soon as they are not competitive anymore: Nam Nguyen, Alaine Chartrand, Elizabet Tursynbaeva... maybe Gabby is the next one, or even Medvedeva 2-3 years from now if it doesn't work.

TSL talked a while ago about overtraining at Tom Z and Mie Hamada groups which lead to injuries, and we'll see Alysa Liu how long she lasts.

To clarify, i'm not picking on other coaches, these things happen: it's not always a success with every single student, puberty is a stage of life we all have to deal,... that said Eteri's success rate is still incredibly high.

Another fact is that as soon as the skaters are not competitive, they put so much pressure on them that they have to leave. Instead of supporting them during difficult times. Because they, the coaches, know that they have other skaters to replace them with... it is a truly business.

This is blatantly false: all former Eteri's skaters always said they left because they wanted a more relaxed environment or injuries, or something else. But never because they were forced to leave.

If they don't fix technique through and after puberty is because that's a long process they don't have time to do it because they have so many other skaters and they are all trained to win.

 

[SkateSkates]

Alyona KOSTORNAYA - Our Favourite Elements (Rus Jr Nats 2019) [50 fps]
https://youtu.be/U59DGKlpXmk

Every element is my favorite too

 

[Watch]

A new interview with Maria Sotskova
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBMdkYmOW-g

Only listened to the first five minutes for now and the interviewer doesn't seem to know much about fs, but I'm impressed with how well-spoken Masha is. Might be the most eloquent interviewee among young Russian skaters that I've encountered in the past few years. A very pleasant voice and a good ability to express her thoughts.

 

[TA91]

Frank Carroll when he was the best coach in US, he used to act very similarly to Eteri now, always preferring the little girls pushing them to the limits, with super strict diets... How long Tara Lipinski's career lasted again?
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Frank Carroll didn't coach Tara, that was Richard Callaghan who is pretty infamous in the US skating community. Frank coached Michelle Kwan, who is known for her longevity among other things, from 1991-2002.

 

[leilaraj]

Is there a competition where Tuktamysheva and Gulyakova participate?

 

[readernick]

Frank Carroll when he was the best coach in US, he used to act very similarly to Eteri now, always preferring the little girls pushing them to the limits, with super strict diets... How long Tara Lipinski's career lasted

I agree that many coaches are not able to help students with recovery but many statements in your comment aren’t factually true.

Tara Lipinski was not coached by Frank Carroll she was coached by Richard Callaghan. He is currently banned by the USFS. His methods were probably very similar to Eteri. He screamed and weighed students all the time. He also sexually harassed students which is the reason for his ban. Most of Frank’s students on the other hand had quite long careers. Michelle Kwan, Linda Fratianne. The students who left him did not leave broken they continued to compete. He is known as a very calm, serious coach. The focus on weight is a problem with the entire figure skating community.

Also, Gabby is not really coached by Orser. She is coached by Lee Barkell. But, she has been competing since 2012 so she has not has a short career. She has been highly inconsistent throughout her career and has not been dropped by her coach. Most successful Orser students have been able to compete for years.

Rafeal Artunian also has female figure skaters who compete for years.

Some coaches are similar to Eteri in that they only have success ( up to this point— the technque has gotten better maybe someone from 3A will survive puberty) coaching kids. But, you are making a false equivalency to all other coaches. Mishin and Moskvina ( certainly great coaches) are not the only coaches who successfully coach adults. Most coaches do. Just not Eteri up to this point.