2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Elucidus]

3A is not allowed as a solo jump because the 2A is the required axel, but there's nothing against putting the 3A as the combo because the only requirement is that it must be a 3-2 or a 3-3. It's been done before, just not in junior ladies.

Then it's too risky for Liu to introduce 3A+3T in a short. They risk to get zero points for the whole combo if she falls or couldn't land it properly enough to try second jump. I doubt they will risk it. Therefore Liu will not get any advantage before her Russian rivals - moreover, most likely she will lag behind them after the short - so her quads/3A advantage in a free will be meant for catching up with lagging first of all.

 

[Scott512]

Actually, Christine Brenann is pretty notorious for HATING Tara Lipinski during Tara's skating career. Christine was a Michelle fan, and yes she thought the wrong American won. The depiction of Tara and her family is nice at all nice in Christine's book (The Edge of Glory, I believe), while extremely complimentary to Michelle.

Here's an interview with Christine in 1998 after the event: https://www.salon.com/1998/02/20/featurea_9/

I think if she had been allowed to by her editor, Christine would have 10000% written an article titled "The Wrong American Won" in 1998.

Yes she would have written that in 1998 if she was allowed to. Christine Brennan referred to herself as a former figure skating expert. Lol. I didn't know she was Peggy Fleming or Dick Button she's just a journalist not an all-time great figure skater. I have never thought of journalist highly regarded like her oh I don't particularly like as being an expert you're a journalist and they write the stories. Brennan also said we would not have seen the last of Tara. One thing is for sure it was a fantastic competition with two great figure skaters from the same country. It's set the table with what was going to happen within a decade with Plushenko and Yagudin.

The thing I'll never agree about this being such a huge upset is wasn't Tara Lipinski the defending and undisputed world champion leading into the Olympics? I can admit it was an upset with Tara taking the gold but to me it wasn't a big upset at all.

Thank you for that article andro it was fascinating to read that and relive such an exciting time.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

Then it's too risky for Liu to introduce 3A+3T in a short. They risk to get zero points for the whole combo if she falls or couldn't land it properly enough to try second jump. I doubt they will risk it. Therefore Liu will not get any advantage before her Russian rivals - moreover, most likely she will lag behind them after the short - so her quads/3A advantage in a free will be meant for catching up with lagging first of all.

Alysa has been very consistent with her 3A. Glacier Falls was the first time in about a year or more where she popped or fell on a 3A and that was due to the private issues that were going on right before Glacier Falls (thiefs breaking into her house, had to get new boots two days before competition, collision with another skater in the warm-up)
Her 3A landing rate is higher than Rika's. She already skated her Junior SP Layout at Broadmoor.
Any skater risks at falling behind if they miss their combo because of the required jump in juniors and the solo 2A. We saw that with a lot skaters at JWC this year.

 

[Elucidus]

Any skater risks at falling behind if they miss their combo because of the required jump in juniors and the solo 2A. We saw that with a lot skaters at JWC this year.

But there is still difference. If you fall on 3Lz - you'll get 3Lz+COMBO and still some points even with -5 GOE. If you fall on 3A - you will get 3A* and zero points. Am I wrong?

 

[ruga]

But there is still difference. If you fall on 3Lz - you'll get 3Lz+COMBO and still some points even with -5 GOE. If you fall on 3A - you will get 3A* and zero points. Am I wrong?

I think it would still be 3A -5 GOE

 

[nussnacker]

But there is still difference. If you fall on 3Lz - you'll get 3Lz+COMBO and still some points even with -5 GOE. If you fall on 3A - you will get 3A* and zero points. Am I wrong?

You’re not wrong, but no one knows for sure
She has been landing this layout with 2A, 3A-3T, 3Lo on competition(s), so they’re definitely thinking about it/considering it.
It can be possible that if it won’t be consistent enough, they’d go back to 3Lz-3T.

An interesting question btw. Will it be 3A* or 3A+combo?

 

[katymay]

Actually, Christine Brenann is pretty notorious for HATING Tara Lipinski during Tara's skating career. Christine was a Michelle fan, and yes she thought the wrong American won. The depiction of Tara and her family is nice at all nice in Christine's book (The Edge of Glory, I believe), while extremely complimentary to Michelle.

Here's an interview with Christine in 1998 after the event: https://www.salon.com/1998/02/20/featurea_9/

I think if she had been allowed to by her editor, Christine would have 10000% written an article titled "The Wrong American Won" in 1998.

Yup. And she still hasn't let this rest. It has warmed my heart to see Tara doing well with NBC/Johnny and become a celebrity. Brenann never passed up a chance to disparage her skating, person etc. And she is still doing it. As I recall she also had some catty commentary about Adelina when she won. IMO: Tara deserved to win, Adelina deserved to win, and Alina deserved to win. I was just rewatching the Don Quixote program, and it was almost perfect. The best I've ever seen Alina, was at the Olympics. At a particular moment in time, all three girls rose to the occasion and brought it. The only Olympic ladies event that-in retrospect-the wrong girl won -IMO-is Oksana and Nancy. Watching it again....I think Nancy should have won.

As far as Christine Brennan, I just ignore her. She is consumed by a partisan agenda and narrative. Hopefully a Hedge Fund will purchase the Left Wing Rag she writes for and cut her lose. She can start her own blog devoted to Michele Kwan and how she was the greatest skater who ever lived.

 

[tempo]

Updated info: junior test skates are scheduled to 14:00 MSK for the each event (livestreaming by the ChannelOne's website aswell).

Ice dances
1st August 14:00-16:00 MSK - Rhythm dance
2nd August 14:00-16:30 MSK - Free dance
https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1920/id_jun_novogorsk19.pdf

Single skating (girls and boys)
5th August 14:00-17:00 MSK - Short program
6th August 14:00-17:30 MSK - Free program
https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1920/ss_jun_novogorsk19.pdf

Pairs
8th August 14:00 MSK - Short program
9th August 14:00 MSK - Free program
[To be updated]

The live stream will be here (with geoblocking presumably, need VPN for foreign viewers):
https://www.1tv.ru/sport/predsezonn...-kataniyu-sredi-yuniorov-2019-20/pryamoy-efir


The preliminary list of participants (by the ChannelOne):

Kamila Valieva, Victoria Vasilyeva, Alena Kanysheva, Ksenia Sinitsina, Anastasia Tarakanova, Anna Tarusina;

Petr Gumennik, Arthur Danielyan, Alexey Erokhov, Georgiy Kunitsa, Andrei Mozalev, Yegor Murashov;

Ksenia Akhantieva - Valery Kolesov, Stanislav Vislobokova - Alexey Bryukhanov, Polina Kostyukovich - Dmitry Yalin, Diana Mukhametzyanova - Ilya Mironov, Apollinaria Panfilova - Dmitry Rylov, Alina Pepeleva - Roman Pleshkov;

Ekaterina Andreeva - Ivan Desyatov, Diana Davis - Gleb Smolkin, Elizaveta Hudayberdieva - Nikita Nazarov, Arina Ushakova - Maxim Nekrasov [WD], Elizaveta Shanaeva - David Narizny, Angelina Lazareva - Maxim Prokofiev.

 

[ruga]

Updated info: junior test skates are scheduled to 14:00 MSK for the each event (livestreaming by the ChannelOne's website aswell).

Ice dances
1st August 14:00-16:00 MSK - Rhytm dance
2nd August 14:00-16:30 MSK - Free dance
https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1920/id_jun_novogorsk19.pdf

Single skating (girls and boys)
5th August 14:00-17:00 MSK - Short program
6th August 14:00-17:30 MSK - Free program
https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1920/ss_jun_novogorsk19.pdf

Pairs
8th August 14:00 MSK - Short program
9th August 14:00 MSK - Free program
[To be updated]

The live stream will be here (with geoblocking presumably, need VPN for foreign viewers):
https://www.1tv.ru/sport/predsezonn...-kataniyu-sredi-yuniorov-2019-20/pryamoy-efir

For some reason I can still watch most of FS stuff streamed on their channel even though I'm not from Russia and have never been there. I don't have VPN either, so maybe it will work for others without it as well.

 

[Edwin]

Hopefully FFKKR will publish the draw and actual competition timetable in time too. 4 groups of 45 mins each, how many skaters will that be, the usual 6 per group?

Perhaps Anastasiya - the ever naughty - Tarakanova might slip in her secret camera again to give us a peek at the draw taking place ;-)

Hopefully Junior TV etc will also be present and live streaming or archiving the routines.

 

[timdalton]

I am most interested in the Russian ladies this season. What a barnburner this will be. 5 or 6 women with a good shot at the 3 World berths. Someone like Sofia who won Europeans last year basically has no shot.

 

[tempo]

Hopefully FFKKR will publish the draw and actual competition timetable in time too. 4 groups of 45 mins each, how many skaters will that be, the usual 6 per group?

Perhaps Anastasiya - the ever naughty - Tarakanova might slip in her secret camera again to give us a peek at the draw ;-)

The draw for the girls' starting numbers for the SP will take place on August 4 after the evening workout (around 20:00 MSK), acordingly to the PDF.
The draw for the girls' starting numbers for the FP will take place on August 5 right after the short program (around 17:00 MSK).

 

[Edwin]

No reason to really worry about the draw this early.

Perviy Kanal and Junior TV usually have the starting protocols projected in their live streams, but since this is no real competition some lesser know skaters/pairs might need some introduction.

No doubt every routine will be scored by FFKKR officials and judges, but this early in season they might nog want to publicise the protocols?
Since Test Skates are only an indication, and most routines will be adjusted to make them more competitive.

 

[Ziotic]

You’re not wrong, but no one knows for sure
She has been landing this layout with 2A, 3A-3T, 3Lo on competition(s), so they’re definitely thinking about it/considering it.
It can be possible that if it won’t be consistent enough, they’d go back to 3Lz-3T.

An interesting question btw. Will it be 3A* or 3A+combo?

I’m sure it will be 3A+COMBO it doesn’t make sense the other way since they know that jump was meant for the combo as a 3Lo and 2A are required. It’s not like seniors where 2A or 3A is acceptable.

 

[nussnacker]

Updated info: junior test skates are scheduled to 14:00 MSK for the each event (livestreaming by the ChannelOne's website aswell).

Ice dances
1st August 14:00-16:00 MSK - Rhythm dance
2nd August 14:00-16:30 MSK - Free dance
https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1920/id_jun_novogorsk19.pdf

Single skating (girls and boys)
5th August 14:00-17:00 MSK - Short program
6th August 14:00-17:30 MSK - Free program
https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/competitons/1920/ss_jun_novogorsk19.pdf

Pairs
8th August 14:00 MSK - Short program
9th August 14:00 MSK - Free program
[To be updated]

The live stream will be here (with geoblocking presumably, need VPN for foreign viewers):
https://www.1tv.ru/sport/predsezonn...-kataniyu-sredi-yuniorov-2019-20/pryamoy-efir


The preliminary list of participants (by the ChannelOne):

Kamila Valieva, Victoria Vasilyeva, Alena Kanysheva, Ksenia Sinitsina, Anastasia Tarakanova, Anna Tarusina;

Petr Gumennik, Arthur Danielyan, Alexey Erokhov, Georgiy Kunitsa, Andrei Mozalev, Yegor Murashov;

Ksenia Akhantieva - Valery Kolesov, Stanislav Vislobokova - Alexey Bryukhanov, Polina Kostyukovich - Dmitry Yalin, Diana Mukhametzyanova - Ilya Mironov, Apollinaria Panfilova - Dmitry Rylov, Alina Pepeleva - Roman Pleshkov;

Ekaterina Andreeva - Ivan Desyatov, Diana Davis - Gleb Smolkin, Elizaveta Hudayberdieva - Nikita Nazarov, Arina Ushakova - Maxim Nekrasov, Elizaveta Shanaeva - David Narizny, Angelina Lazareva - Maxim Prokofiev.

A little OT: I wonder why Erokhov is there... isn’t he too old for juniors by now?

 

[tempo]

A little OT: I wonder why Erokhov is there... isn’t he too old for juniors by now?

The list is not full and not correct, just published by broadcaster 1TV, not the FFKKR. We have to wait for the official list of participants.

There will be 4 groups of single skating trainings at 3rd and 4th August, I suppose the total amount of skaters should be 4 x 6 = 24, probably 12 girls and 12 boys. But that preliminary list has 6+6 participants only, so incomplete.

 

[Yuna Luna]

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Thanks for your analysis, I don’t think I would have the patience to write so much! I was wondering what your take is on Kamila Valieva, if you have one, and how she compares musically to Anna, Alyona and Sasha?

 

[Edwin]

Thanks for your analysis, I don’t think I would have the patience to write so much! I was wondering what your take is on Kamila Valieva, if you have one, and how she compares musically to Anna, Alyona and Sasha?

Yes, please, Karina.

Valiyeva is the odd one out, a child skating to sophisticated minimal music and portraying the subject of an abstract painting that most adult skaters would find very difficult to interpret let alone express.

But how many different programs Kamila has shown us at 13 years of age, compared to Aleksandra, Alyona and Anna at the same age? For a valid and useful comparison that is.

 

[Yuna Luna]

My conclusion is that Alyona is occasionally out of time with the musical cues here and there, but when she skates perfectly - i.e. she is right on top of her music and hits all the accents, like her short program at JGPF 2018 (no wonder that was a record-breaker) - then she deserves among the highest scores for interpretation, alongside Anna. Those girls can deliver sublime performances at their best. Russian Fed better count their blessings.

Edit: it seems like Linz is even a better example, even though she missed a wingbeat at the end. It’s still one of my favourite performances of her.

 

[ruga]

The participant list is a bit suspicious because it does not include Maiia and Daria. The latter is already given a JGP assignment while the former is included in the substitute list. But maybe that's because they're not in Junior team? However, Gubanova is not on this list either and she is a member of that team. Hope they add more skaters, but there is only 5 days left and I'm afraid the list can be correct.