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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

It can be again reminded the story of Aliona Kostornaia, who wasn't invited to test skates in 2017 and got her spot in the last moment after her performance at the Cup of Moscow. I doubt Russians would let pass out the entry uselessly.

This gives me hope for Safonova. When do these Cup of Moscow events begin?
 
This gives me hope for Safonova. When do these Cup of Moscow events begin?

Yes, because the various Russian press suggested Tarusina might not be healed sufficiently by the end of August to fulfil her reserve duties and cannot be substituted anymore as the accredited reserve?

No candidates from Sankt Peterburg? Honestly, Gubanova doesn't deserve a chance after repeated insinuations against Zagitova, but there must be others, otherwise SPb is really at loss.
 
Yes, because the various Russian press suggested Tarusina might not be healed sufficiently by the end of August to fulfil her reserve duties and cannot be substituted anymore as the reserve?

No candidates from Sankt Peterburg? Honestly, Gubanova doesn't deserve a chance after repeated insinuations against Zagitova, but there must be others, otherwise SPb is really at a loss.

I mean there is Gulyakova but she only did senior events so I’m not sure if she wants to go back to juniors. Also Maria T who qualified for Senior Nats last season, but she had an unfortunate performance at Spartakiad. There were a couple of young skaters - Eva and Nicole I believe who are age eligible this season, but they didn’t place super high at nationals.

I think the skater with the most potential would be Yasmina who didn’t compete at Cup events or Jr Nationals but placed well at Children of Asia and 2nd Jr Nats
 
About Moscow Open Championships: these indeed do allow selected participants to qualify themselves for JGP according to this page: https://fskate.ru/info/competitions/7/

And since the competition is open, a limited number of non-Moscow skaters can participate, I presume those in contention for reserve spots for JGP by discretion of FFKKR.
So I think if any Sankt Peterburg skater might want to qualify him- or herself to JGP, this is their final chance. The boys JPG qualifier ranks seem full, but in the girls there might still be a chance to add to or displace one of the listed reserves.

This year the Championships will be held at Megasport Kompleks, which is either on the old CSKA territory or near Krilatskoye?
The dates are September, 2-5.
 
Yes, because the various Russian press suggested Tarusina might not be healed sufficiently by the end of August to fulfil her reserve duties and cannot be substituted anymore as the accredited reserve?

No candidates from Sankt Peterburg? Honestly, Gubanova doesn't deserve a chance after repeated insinuations against Zagitova, but there must be others, otherwise SPb is really at loss.

Edwin, I truly doubt Alina as level-headed as she is and as mature as she is would want Nastya to be held back or punished for the immature and envious things she has said about Alina.

I'm not sure the Fed will do anything to Anastasia. They may do something for punishment but probably not. Nastya may not even be training yet with her new coach so she probably won't even do test skates for the seniors which would mean her next season will get off to a very slow start again like last season. Nastya T may be more likely for a break through this year than Nastya G. One thing is for sure if you could combine the artistry and beautiful skating skills of Nastya G with the athleticism and reaching for the stars qualities of Nastya T and we would have a monster of a ladies figure skater! ;) I sure hope both of them get breakthroughs this year but that may be asking a lot because of the great competition they have to deal with. even 3a won't be able to dominate in seniors like they did in juniors because the competition is just too great. Most people will be focusing on 3a Alina and Evgenia so maybe one of the Nastyas can sneak through the back door in some way.

Senior test skates should be amazing. Probably the best one ever at least as far as the ladies are concerned. Last year's was really good this year's test skates should be even better. I hope everyone is there it has a good time showing off the most dominant ladies group from one country in the history of ladies figure skating.
 
I think you don't understand the seriousness of a doping accusation in the current situation of Russia's Ministry of Sports vs IOC, WADA and diverse other sports' governing bodies all demanding a tough stance against doping and keeping Russian sports, their directors and sportspersons constantly in their sights, already for considerable time now and not really letting go, despite the reforms.
To seem to be taking charge, setting examples, taking tough measures, RUS MoS will take the full force of their power out on anybody transgressing or even falsely implying another sportsperson transgressed.

13 year old Shabotova had to leave Snow Leopards and she could still be considered a silly little girl at 12 when she did that live stream. 16-17 year old Gubanova isn't a silly little girl anymore, she'll be held fully responsible for her social media outings, insinuating against the reigning World and Olympic Champion no less. Now these clips/interview outing (posted more than a year apart) have been picked up by the press, FFKKR will never let it happen a nobody tarnishes the reputation of Zagitova, whatever her pitiful motivations might be.

Kanysheva might consider herself lucky the silly things she said in that 2016 or so live stream didn't include anything even remotely accusatory.

We will see how this all pans out for Gubanova getting any international assignments for Russia, representing Russia, but I think you should not put up your hopes very high.
 
I think you don't understand the seriousness of a doping accusation in the current situation of Russia's Ministry of Sports vs IOC, WADA and diverse other sports' governing bodies all demanding a tough stance against doping and keeping Russian sports, their directors and sportspersons in their sights for considerable time now.
To seem to be taking charge, setting examples, taking tough measures, RUS MoS will take the full force of their power out on anybody transgressing or even falsely implying another sportsperson transgressed.

13 year old Shabotova had to leave Snow Leopards and she could still be considered a silly little girl at 12 when she did that live stream. 16-17 year old Gubanova isn't a silly little girl anymore, she'll be held fully responsible for her social media outings, insinuating against the reigning World and Olympic Champion no less. Now these have been picked up by the press, FFKKR will never let it happen a nobody tarnishes the reputation of Zagitova, whatever her pitiful motivations might be.

We will see how this all pans out for Gubanova getting any international assignments for Russia, representing Russia, but I think you should not put up your hopes very high.
Well if they put the clamps on Nastya like you think the Rusfed will and block her from skating even in challengers or senior bs then she needs to get citizenship elsewhere the way Lilbet and several other girls have done. I just hope it doesn't come to that.

And shame on whoever uncovered thàt live stream from a year-and-a-half ago that everyone either forgot about or did not know existed. I know it was done to hurt Alina but that was really deplorable for whoever did it.
 
I don't think Alina cares... at this point, she's been through too many things said about her in media, that's not something she will pay attention to.
But Russia did indeed treat Shabotova rough, given it was a silly joke by a kid.
It seems like doping (even if it's a joke) isn't a laughing matter now in Russia, given how huge the problem was and how hard it was to overcome it.
I have no idea how it will play out for Nastia.
in Shabotova's case, afaik rusfed actually did comment on the matter and said they will do check ups in Sambo-70, Shabotova's coach commented that she will talk to her.
In this case, no one spoke about the matter yet, so maybe it will be swept under the rug and Nastia will be able to get some assignments.
However, it sure is not going to make her life any easier.
This news spread like wildfire in russian media, all top newspapers reported on it, so at this point Nastia will be lucky if she won't get remembered solely for this incident, like Shabotova did.
 
I don't think Alina cares... at this point, she's been through too many things said about her in media, that's not something she will pay attention to.

Was Zagitova ever even close with Gubanova or vice versa? They seem to have very different characters, and there are no pics on Gubanova's instagram that indicate they were close.
Just the usual stuff of a pretty teenage girl full of herself, posing and pouting, applying filters, looking affluent while on holiday etc.

It is sad really, to be remembered like Gubanova will be, for your faults instead of for your feats.
 
Interesting interview by FFKKR's press representative Olga with ISU technical specialist Aleksandr Kuznetsov about the results of Junior Test Skates, the advances internet brought to skating worldwide, the path to the future for Russia's figure skating, the challenges for the boys now advancing.

Here is my take on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH86FCYmlLo:

"Today we have finished the junior figure skating team test skates.
These are the traditional pre-seasonal skates, today we had the free program, yesterday the short
What do the final results tell us?
First, overall impression.
The general impression is that our juniors began to skate with more quality, maturity, and in relation to previous seasons' comments which we gave them.
These all related to immature skating and skating for children and youths.
Now we see that most athletes have crossed this barrier of children's skating and are now showing mature skating, good skating skills. And generally many athletes showed a level of skating which is sometimes not even available to adult athletes.
This also applies to elements, this also applies to connecting elements between jumping elements, spins.
That is, there are several athletes who show this mature skating level.
First and foremost this concerns those girls who paid attention to every gesture, every movement, completed-ness of their elements and this is a very good sign for the future.
Because we are very often talking about the fact that adult athletes are incomparably better skating in relation to juniors, while juniors incomparably better do their elements, especially jumps.
Now, I cannot talk that way, because the juniors also displayed mature skating, most of them.
I don't agree on the position that young children cannot skate like the adults, some kids skate better than adults!
if we are to look back at some previous cycles, then 10-15 years ago most adult skaters didn’t skate like that.
When it comes to single skating for youths, boy and girls separately, to me for example, the skating level of the girls impressed me very much, and sometimes I perceived the skating of some girls as 'the skating of dreams'
Being a coach a long time ago, to me it seemed like such a level of technical and choreographic preparation was unattainable, and now I see it live, this is astounding, this is a dream come true, here and now. I want to note the efforts of choreographers and trainers.
On the other hand, probably now with the tendencies of the modern world, information becomes more available, it becomes easier to disassemble the elements into micro-elements and certainly we can achieve some wonderful complex technical stuff at lower cost because achievements of modern contemporary computerisation are such that we can easily just break down the element frame by frame in slow motion. It all affects techniques for the execution of elements. Amazing choice of music, amazing choice of every kind of choreographic movements.
It seems to me that the girls, junior ladies are displaying skating of the future now, setting the trend in a world figure skating for the next 4 or 8 years.
Our girls who skated here, unfortunately there were only a small number of girls, but they showed the whole gamut of beauty, namely ladies figure skating beauty, and fantastic elements and all of it flavoured with great artistic mastery.
This, for me is very, very nice to see that the common efforts by professionals and judges and coaches weren't in vain but resulted in such skating, today I saw the skating of our dreams.
Speaking of, I think of course that not all of these children will grow into adult sportspersons, because of reasons beyond their control.
But there is hope that a certain number of these children will be in the same positions in which our adult skaters (mostly ladies) are in this very moment.
This concerns not only the gorgeous Kamila Valiyeva, it concerns another 3 or 4 wonderful girls. And it is pleasing they represent different coaching schools even if it seems to me they work in different directions but this is all gorgeous skating, mature and grown up.

(continued from the 6:35 mark)

As for mens, or rather not mens skating, youths skating, boys: here also appeared completely new athletes who we haven't seen yet in their junior age, this is their first season of skating in the juniors. This is a completely new generation of boys who have no authority, who boldly go doing heroics, boldly go into very complex elements, and I have the impression that they will succeed.

Concerning, again we won’t give names, we all know the winner of the Russian championship among juniors ....
On the other hand, they are in a slightly more difficult situation than the girls, there are fewer of them, they have more, probably psychological pressure on them, because they are used to being constantly blamed, scolded, and told that they’re not delivering. But it seems to me that this is untrue.

What's happening now for these little guys is: they look at the world surrounding them and since I think that they already have some kind of 'vantage point', they have their own opinion on figure skating, some styles are already forming and they have no prejudices against the complexity of some elements, especially jumps.
We see sets, even sometimes 3, 4 or 5, from a variety of quadruple jumps in training so far, and I'm sure that as adults they realize their dreams.
Concerning quadruple jumps, I think that one of them will already begin to jump the quad Aksel

I don’t know, I have a positive outlook. Looking with a fresh look at the skating runs with the juniors this season shows that trainers consider the rules, athletes are also interested in certain trends.
We now have an unconditionally open world and all kinds of information are available. Internet: you can browse and see any directions in choreography, you can listen to various music, dance and fulfil your dreams a lot easier it seems to me. A simple way, compared to how it was thirty, forty, fifty years ago when we only had rumours to go by: 'this has been said, that , this one did this element or another'. We right there this moment can see for certain now (nodding in the direction of the rink).

If we were just talking about the skating, and for sure thousands of people watched skating of boys and girls' free programs, now.
Of course, there are limitations, but we’ll fix them all the same and best at this age.

Certainly these (test) skates are important because all the specialists who watch the skates are set up to communicate with athletes, with trainers, with choreographers. Certainly we find understanding, I don’t see the slightest negative attitude towards those specialists who comment on the skates, I see only positivity in terms of what conclusions are being drawn.
Even now we have been in training for two or three days, we see a positive trend in terms of the fact that they listen to us, offer their own alternatives which we also comment on and take notion of. This is the common way forward, I would say.

We all know the junior team seems to me like never before more united and purposeful. This gives us hope that when our young athletes grow up, they will set a wonderful example of representing our country in the international arena and at an adult level.

It pleases me very much in saying we are at the stage of mutual understanding."

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Still, a very difficult interpretation, trying to stay true to the Russian original.

Thanks to the poster for pointing out errors :-)
 
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It really seems like RusFed has decided to prioritize certain coaching groups for the assignments over others, namely Eteri, Panova, and Davydov. There is zero reason why Frolova should have received an invitation while Safonova (8th a Jr Nats over Frolova and Usacheva; 4th at Elders) and Kadyrova (5th at Elders and has demonstrated a clean quad) did not. The only reason that makes any sense is that Frolova is with Panova and Sinitsyna and Tarakanova were going, but this isn't fair at all to skaters like Gubanova, Safonova, and Kadyrova. There were only 2 clean performances yesterday out of 7, for all we know other skaters could have stepped up and shown that they are more deserving of the spots than the narrow group that RusFed has chosen as golden ones.

9 skaters received an invite to test counting Tarusina and that is about all of the spots RusFed has for skaters to receive one assignment assuming that 6 will receive 2 to qualify for the final. I feel that Frolova did nothing at the test to show that she more worthy of a spot than other skaters that are comparable to her and I would certainly much rather see Gubanova on the JGP if she is fit. That is one spot that should be up for grabs and there are potentially two more depending on Tarusina and Vasilieva's condition. At this point I can only home RusFed will still allow other skaters an opportunity to prove themselves.
 
It really seems like RusFed has decided to prioritize certain coaching groups for the assignments over others, namely Eteri, Panova, and Davydov. There is zero reason why Frolova should have received an invitation while Safonova (8th a Jr Nats over Frolova and Usacheva; 4th at Elders) and Kadyrova (5th at Elders and has demonstrated a clean quad) did not. The only reason that makes any sense is that Frolova is with Panova and Sinitsyna and Tarakanova were going, but this isn't fair at all to skaters like Gubanova, Safonova, and Kadyrova. There were only 2 clean performances yesterday out of 7, for all we know other skaters could have stepped up and shown that they are more deserving of the spots than the narrow group that RusFed has chosen as golden ones.

9 skaters received an invite to test counting Tarusina and that is about all of the spots RusFed has for skaters to receive one assignment assuming that 6 will receive 2 to qualify for the final. I feel that Frolova did nothing at the test to show that she more worthy of a spot than other skaters that are comparable to her and I would certainly much rather see Gubanova on the JGP if she is fit. That is one spot that should be up for grabs and there are potentially two more depending on Tarusina and Vasilieva's condition. At this point I can only home RusFed will still allow other skaters an opportunity to prove themselves.

I agree that both Safonova and Kadyrova deserved spots, but not necessarily more than Frolova. Probably equal. But Frolova placed 3rd at the very important Cup Final event in the KMC category, which put her on the reserve national team. Neither of those other skaters were on the national team, and apparently this year they only invited national team members. I don’t know why they did this and I do not agree with it, but that’s how it was.

Frolova and Safonova had very similar results: both placed 2 & 3 at their cup events. They went head to head 5x, Frolova won 2 vs Safonova 3, with them often placing right ahead/behind each other (I.e 8th and 9th at jr nats). Unfortunately for Safonova she was only 6th at the Cup Final which really hurt her funding and assignments wise. They might also be betting on the younger skater. Frolova just became eligible this season - Safonova was senior eligible last year. I agree that Safonova deserves to be given more chances, as you can see if you read my previous posts, but in this situation it’s not Frolova she should be replacing - it’s Rus Fed who should have invited more skaters. They invited 12 last year. Why only 9 this year?
 
But Russia did indeed treat Shabotova rough, given it was a silly joke by a kid.
It seems like doping (even if it's a joke) isn't a laughing matter now in Russia, given how huge the problem was and how hard it was to overcome it.
I have no idea how it will play out for Nastia.
in Shabotova's case, afaik rusfed actually did comment on the matter and said they will do check ups in Sambo-70, Shabotova's coach commented that she will talk to her.
In this case, no one spoke about the matter yet, so maybe it will be swept under the rug and Nastia will be able to get some assignments.

In my experience this is worse that it's been quiet. It's certainly not swept under the rug. If it was to be over and done with and put in the past, yes, a "We've talked to her and realize it was all a misunderstanding", that sort of thing. It is only when it's serious is when there is NOTHING. Silence. No comment. Seriously, after Russia couldn't fly their flag at the Olympics? And then Gubanova says the OGM representing Russia could have been doping??? BIG MISTAKE. HUGE. If I were her and wanted to compete internationally, I would definitely be looking for another country to represent, but RusFed would have to release her, and after her bad publicity, they might just bury her in Russia. Let's just wait and see. If she gets no assignments this year, the writing is on the wall.
 
The absence of Sankt Peterburg in the top junior girls is notably.

Last year, at Russian Nationals, the TV commentators said Mishin put his head in the sand, ostrich wise, when the year before the proposal was passed that allowed the top junior skaters to compete with the seniors in the Nationals.

I think that Sankt Peterburg is now paying dearly for that conservatism. The SPb boys/men and dance pairs still do OK, but it remains to be seen at Senior Test Skates how Tuktamisheva and Samodurova will hold up against the Moscow women.
No results, no finances, no finances, no new talent being raised. I have no idea how SPb city administration sports department looks at figure skating, for MosKomSport it is a crown jewel with all the required attention and funding.
 
In my experience this is worse that it's been quiet. It's certainly not swept under the rug. Seriously, after Russia couldn't fly their flag at the Olympics? And then Gubanova says the OGM representing Russia could have been doping??? BIG MISTAKE. HUGE. If I were her and wanted to compete internationally, I would definitely be looking for another country to represent, but RusFed would have to release her, and after her bad publicity, they might just bury her in Russia. Let's just wait and see. If she gets no assignments this year, the writing is on the wall.

Not only that, the reasons of Gubanova's dismissal from CSKA Moscow are public knowledge too and the insiders probably know much more than us. No amount of talent can make up for a bad attitude and work ethics, since it is 'work hard or get out' in Russian FS. Wether a more lenient federation might want to pick up Gubanova? I doubt it. Those federations want results too, and a return on their investment. A 13 year old Shabotova might hold some hidden talents and can still be cleansed of her faults, but a 17 y.o. Gubanova that is on a downward trajectory?

When she has a good head for school and study, entry into SPb's prestigiuous Lesgaft Sports University is a good option for Gubanova and she can still skate and perhaps compete in the students for a different governing body or federation?
 
I agree that both Safonova and Kadyrova deserved spots, but not necessarily more than Frolova. Probably equal. But Frolova placed 3rd at the very important Cup Final event in the KMC category, which put her on the reserve national team. Neither of those other skaters were on the national team, and apparently this year they only invited national team members. I don’t know why they did this and I do not agree with it, but that’s how it was.

Frolova and Safonova had very similar results: both placed 2 & 3 at their cup events. They went head to head 5x, Frolova won 2 vs Safonova 3, with them often placing right ahead/behind each other (I.e 8th and 9th at jr nats). Unfortunately for Safonova she was only 6th at the Cup Final which really hurt her funding and assignments wise. They might also be betting on the younger skater. Frolova just became eligible this season - Safonova was senior eligible last year. I agree that Safonova deserves to be given more chances, as you can see if you read my previous posts, but in this situation it’s not Frolova she should be replacing - it’s Rus Fed who should have invited more skaters. They invited 12 last year. Why only 9 this year?

I think we are in agreement as I was not saying that Safonova and Kadyrova deserve to be at the test more than Frolova, just that it shouldn't be a done deal that Frolova gets a JGP assignment over skaters with such comparable results. Thus the comparable skaters should have been invited to test so that they could be assessed one last time before the assignment is given which is what I thought is the point of test skates. Maybe neither of them would have done better than her but we will never know. I really don't think that what Frolova put out at the test was so much better than what we've seen Safonova put out in the past and I hope that there is a way for other skaters to still be considered for the JGP assuming that 9 skaters will receive one assignment. It makes absolutely no sense to limit it to 3 coaching groups, which is clearly what they did when choosing to invite Frolova but not her close competitor Safonova among others to the test. As you said there were 12 last year and what a coincidence that there are exactly 12 potential contenders this year (the 9 that received an invite plus Gubanova, Safonova, and Kadyrova). It wouldn't even have required another warm up.

I have seen some lovely skating from Frolova but yesterday was not her best. She was tentative and made a big error. She did nothing that blew me away and made me think Omg give her a JGP NOW..she MUST go!! If she does receive a JGP I will be happy for her but also I will feel a bit sad for the others and wonder what might have been.
 
Moscow Open Championships, September 2-5 might add some names to the list of JGP contenders or reserves. Since it is an Open, a limited number of skaters from other local federations can apply for a start, at FFKKR discretion probably. Seems like the final qualifier for the remaining JPG starts.
 
I think we are in agreement as I was not saying that Safonova and Kadyrova deserve to be at the test more than Frolova, just that it shouldn't be a done deal that Frolova gets a JGP assignment over skaters with such comparable results. Thus the comparable skaters should have been invited to test so that they could be assessed one last time before the assignment is given which is what I thought is the point of test skates. Maybe neither of them would have done better than her but we will never know. I really don't think that what Frolova put out at the test was so much better than what we've seen Safonova put out in the past and I hope that there is a way for other skaters to still be considered for the JGP assuming that 9 skaters will receive one assignment. It makes absolutely no sense to limit it to 3 coaching groups, which is clearly what they did when choosing to invite Frolova but not her close competitor Safonova among others to the test. As you said there were 12 last year and what a coincidence that there are exactly 12 potential contenders this year (the 9 that received an invite plus Gubanova, Safonova, and Kadyrova). It wouldn't even have required another warm up.

I have seen some lovely skating from Frolova but yesterday was not her best. She was tentative and made a big error. She did nothing that blew me away and made me think Omg give her a JGP NOW..she MUST go!! If she does receive a JGP I will be happy for her but also I will feel a bit sad for the others and wonder what might have been.

How many girls were at test skates? It wasn't absurdly low number wasn't it? I think it should be like 30 plus ladies not 16 or whatever it was.

As for Nastya out we will find out if and when she gets challengers this season. If she does there still hope for her. I don't think she will skate Juniors this season but if she does it might be good for her even though it would be a bit humiliating and humbling. but it is what it is and she has to save her career at this point and go from there.
 
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