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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

On Daniil (and Eteri since they both choreograph), I've to say, in the past I was for the most part okay with his programs: this season I'm a little disappointed by their work for juniors. (we'll see the seniors, Alina's new short is mostly fine minor some complaints)

6 programs are recycled from last season which is whatever.

Valieva's FS is very much keeping the same theme of the SP, it's a decent program but nothing extraordinary.

Samsonov's FS is a massive disappointment: you have a potential junior world champion and you give him the most generic program on Josh Groban music,a concept you have already used 2 times (Rukhin's FS 16-17, Erokhov FP last season), maybe more and we as fans saw dozens of times.

I don't bother similar movements since you can say that about any choreographer, but 3 music cuts for a SP is too much in my opinion, and the ending with the music fading mid-phrase is very offensive.
 
Evgenia is officially scheduled to compete at Shanghai Trophy. What do you think will her - and the other girls‘ - challenger assignments be?

Sasha and Alina are doing Japan Open, Zhenya Shanghai Trophy. Tursynbaeva is scheduled to participate at Shanghai Trophy as well, so I thought maybe another Tutberidze skater would be invited too - like Aliona or Anna. The participants of ACI should be released by tomorrow, I think, so we‘ll find out whether one of the girls is competing there. Sofia and Liza will do Lombardia Trophy again, I guess.

Shanghai trophy isn't counted towards points in skater's rating, is it? I'm not sure about this, but I thought it's not a standard challenger...
So whoever takes part there, I would expect to still participate in Challenger series.

I think Liza will get Lombardia, Evgenia ... I would say Autumn Classic, I think it's easier for TCC skaters to compete there, not too far and convenient.
There might be some travel inconvenience due to test skates, but I would still pick Autumn classic if I was her, She will stay in Canada after that anyway and have more time to prepare for GP.
Alina, maybe Lombardia too or Finlandia? Those two are quite close location wise and little more spread out between Japan open and her gp.
Hm, I'd think ONT maybe to Sasha, US classic to Anna?
I think Alyona can do Finlandia, since it's still gives her a lot of time before her gp.
 
OTOH, that FS makes me cringe and I'll tell you why: the choreography is 100% disconnected from the music. Exogenesis is soft, calm, and steady...yet there is this sharpness and speed to the movements in the choreo that is completely at odds with the nature of the music. The movements are too fast and rushed, almost like the choreo was made for another piece and they just threw this music over it. It looks strange, like a person doing an uptempo dance while a slow song is playing.

Advice: try to hear the music during the program focusing on fortepiano keys. Tried? Surprise - the music is actually quite fast, isn't it? And Valieva showing fortepiano keys quite decently, don't you think? ;)
 
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Shanghai trophy isn't counted towards points in skater's rating, is it? I'm not sure about this, but I thought it's not a standard challenger...
So whoever takes part there, I would expect to still participate in Challenger series.

I think Liza will get Lombardia, Evgenia ... I would say Autumn Classic, I think it's easier for TCC skaters to compete there, not too far and convenient.
There might be some travel inconvenience due to test skates, but I would still pick Autumn classic if I was her, She will stay in Canada after that anyway and have more time to prepare for GP.
Alina, maybe Lombardia too or Finlandia? Those two are quite close location wise and little more spread out between Japan open and her gp.
Hm, I'd think ONT maybe to Sasha, US classic to Anna?
I think Alyona can do Finlandia, since it's still gives her a lot of time before her gp.

No, Shanghai Trophy and Japan Open aren‘t counted that‘s why I asked what the girls‘ challenger assignments will be. I strongly hope Zhenya (and the others) will do a Challenger event because it‘s important for WS and getting that SB. I‘m somehow not so sure about Autumn Classics for her but we‘ll find out tomorrow.
US classics is very hard with the jetlag and the altitude, so I‘m not sure I want poor Anna having to deal with that for her first international senior (Challenger) event... Maybe Rusfed will do the same they did with the GP assignments and send Alina + Alyona to Finlandia, Sasha + Zhenya to ONT and Anna + Liza + Sofia to Lombardia. I wouldn‘t necessarily be a fan of that as it‘s a bit boring to have the same skaters compete against each other in all events but it would be convenient. Would that work out with test skates + GP for everyone?
 

Ok, I love behind the scene videos like this. The kids are absolutely precious, self-critical and analytical, and I hope we'll get more of this type of content this season. I'd love a full documentary length feature on Junior and Senior Test Skates...

As for TSL, I guess it should be pointed out that they're disrespectful to everyone across borders, not just Russian skaters... the stuff they say about US and Canadian skaters where they have actual insiders and know a lot more of what's going on behind closed doors very often crosses every line imaginable as well. And they're gossipy, flippant and extremely self-important, Dave especially. So nothing new there... The only big difference between the way they talk about Russians and the way they talk about North American skaters is that they're of course very ignorant on the ways things work in Russia and often start saying completely ridiculous things they heard somewhere and then additionally misremembered and misinterpreted. It's quite hilarious at times, to be honest.
 
On Daniil (and Eteri since they both choreograph), I've to say, in the past I was for the most part okay with his programs: this season I'm a little disappointed by their work for juniors. (we'll see the seniors, Alina's new short is mostly fine minor some complaints)

6 programs are recycled from last season which is whatever.

Valieva's FS is very much keeping the same theme of the SP, it's a decent program but nothing extraordinary.

Samsonov's FS is a massive disappointment: you have a potential junior world champion and you give him the most generic program on Josh Groban music,a concept you have already used 2 times (Rukhin's FS 16-17, Erokhov FP last season), maybe more and we as fans saw dozens of times.

I don't bother similar movements since you can say that about any choreographer, but 3 music cuts for a SP is too much in my opinion, and the ending with the music fading mid-phrase is very offensive.

I agree with almost everything. Compared to past two seasons and their work with Tarakanova, Shcherbakova, Kostornaia and Trusova, this year's programs are way less inspired. Maybe that's because they used all energy on new seniors, but it's still bit disappointing.
 
I agree with almost everything. Compared to past two seasons and their work with Tarakanova, Shcherbakova, Kostornaia and Trusova, this year's programs are way less inspired. Maybe that's because they used all energy on new seniors, but it's still bit disappointing.

Remember that last year we saw skaters having the experience with competing already, they went through JGP, junior worlds and knew how to communicate with the audience already. Even Anna who didn't compete internationally yet at that time was a year older than most of the girls we saw. This year's Alyona Kanysheva changed the team, so she has to get used to the different style etc. I believe the programs will grow with more performances and training.

Also, when people talk about repeating themes etc., there is one more factor, in Novogorsk we saw more girls just from several coaches abnd at more or less the same (very high) level. At the int. competitions there will be more styles from different countries on a different levels with different styles and all. I bet even some longer Inna Bauer will be seen, so the programs some of us consider too repetitive will be unique in such environment.
 
That fatshaming comment was made by Doug Haw not by TSL. TSL made a whole video about fatshaming not being okay after they had Doug as a guest on their channel, because they also thought that Doug stepped over the line with his comment about Tuktamysheva.
Comments about which skater is more important and who isn't are made here nearly on the daily, many of these comments are made by people that complained about TSL's comments, that is why I spoke up not because I want to excuse TSL's comments, I just don't like hypocrits. I just find it funny that many posters have no qualms to write comments here bashing non-russian ladies or russian ladies they don't like and how their favorite russian ladies will destroy them and then they have fit if someone dares to critique the choreo from one of their favorite Russian ladies. Also I have seen one or two posters here who complain about TSL make nasty comments on youtube or other social platforms (if they don't want to be caught they should not use the same username and profile pic on their other platforms) about certain skaters and then they pretend to be diplomatic here ;) That is my issue I have here. I don't want to excuse TSL's comments, yes they are often over the top and they could be more tactful, however, some people here like to pretend that they are angels themselves, when they aren't.
Also if people don't like figure skating gossip just don't watch it and don't pay attention to it. That way they don't get your views (and adsense) and your blood pressure can stay healthy :)
Also people often take TSL's comments out of context and like to pretend that they hate all Russian ladies when they don't. TSL has often said nice things about Russian ladies and even Eteri's skaters among the critique they often throw at them. Dave likes Shcherbakova's muscality, he has a soft spot for her. They love Kostornaia. They said a few nice things about Alina even, how she is more emotive now in her skating that her skating has improved and that they wish her team would give her programs that show of her skills and her musicality even more. They even said *oh shock* nice things about Evgenia among the critique they often give her.


Suree...

Dare to critique the choreo? I think it was pretty obvious that people had problems with him using McDonalds as analogy in a post where the skater is hashtagged, so if anyone's taking comments out of context now, it would be you.
The fact that they say nice things here and there, does not excuse them, why would you even bring that up and then say "I don't want to excuse them". I never said they hate russians, I think they've made quite a few harsh comments about a very big amount of skaters in general, at least there's no discrimination there.
And when they talk about a lot of skaters, I think they make those comments that sound that extreme and hurtful on purpose.

Sure, I guess there are hypocrites, does it somehow make the disappointment about TSL comments less valid?
You're not trying to excuse them, but you still are doing JUST that. Saying there are people who are just as bad does not and will not change anything about their style of commentary.

Thanks for the advice about my blood pressure, it's doing fine :) Very nice of you to think about my health :) Take care of your grades!
 
Here is my interpretation of what Daniil Gleikhengauz had to say about the Junior Test Skates:

"Preparation for the season and our staging work took place in normal working mode. Together with Eteri Georgiyevna we delivered programs to almost all the kids. There are several EX still left to do. We’ll start doing these soon." (expecting their skater to win, obviously :-)

"For Daniil Samsonov and Kamila Valiyeva we kept the short programs form last season. This is common practice when juniors go international, ready to enter the Grand Prix series. The kids skated these programs only in domestic competitions, where no one saw them except our spectators. It is clear that we keep only the best productions of last season, and the short programs of Dani and Kamila are so suitable that it would be foolish not to show them on the international stage. We changed the free programs of Samsonov and Valiyeva. The kids presented them at the Test Skates. Kamila did well; Daniil didn’t succeed. We will continue to work."

"From this season on, we have Alyona Kanysheva. We made her two new programs that are different from what she has skated before. These are a bit new for Alyona. The free program, I would say, is deep, and the music touches the soul. If Alyona delivers the program - and she can emotionally convey what is laid down - it will be an atypical junior program, rather with an eye towards the seniors."

"Yegor Rukhin, this season we've changed (his programs). I think we got the music and his skating spot on in both programs. You'll notice that Yegor takes pleasure in what he performs. He began to skate better, elements became cleaner. If he continues in the same vein, he will be able to have a great season - the best at this moment in his career."

"We left Dasha Usachyova her short program, because it is very suitable for the athlete. We changed her free program to emphasize her strengths. Dasha likes the program, likes the music. Which means she will be able to open up even more in her skating."

"For Maya Khromikh we did not change the programs, because due to injuries last season she missed several starts. If we could find some kind of “crazy” image that would fit Maya, then we probably have made a new program. But since Maya’s programs turned out to be cool, changing them was illogical."

"Gosha Kunitsa has gotten new programs both. Last season, he came to us with his previous. We did not redo anything, left them as is. Gosha has good skating skills and body control. You can try a lot with him, stagings with him are easy. Now there are still problems with the triple Axel, because he has become an adolescent. In addition, at the summer training camp, Gosha twisted his leg, injured his ankle, because of which the preparations turned out to be a little haphazard. But the guy is trying, he wants to show his maximum."

"In general, the period of staging new programs is always difficult. A lot of time is spent searching for music, ideas, brainstorming. Many new images and melodies for “experiments” are born, although I do not like this word because we do not experiment with athletes. If the program is set, the audience will see it, it is not an experiment anymore but a conscious choice. We know what it took, how much work, visible and invisible, since the first ideas were born in your head, it all costs. How far it will be understood, accepted and appreciated by the audience and the judges? Time will tell. There is still a reserve before the Olympics, and you can try to develop skaters in different directions, offer other images, styles. This applies to both adults - Alina Zagitova, Sasha Trusova, Anya Shcherbakova, Alyona Kostornaya and others - as well as juniors. Many of our ideas regarding new programs already made pubic and shown have been called into question. But I think it should be interesting."

"When Eteri Georgiyevna and I create new programs, we don’t just put our soul into them, we want to show our students from their best side. Our task is to ensure that all athletes are given equal conditions, regardless of status and age. The only difference is with whom we start, that's dependent on circumstances. There can be no garbage, because the athletes trust us, their coaches, and this trust should never be deceived."

"It seems to me that it doesn’t matter how many athletes train in the group. The main thing is the system, and if such a system is developed by the coaches, and the athletes accept the 'rules of the game', they strictly follow them, results will come. The kids know what needs to be done, they themselves begin to understand where they are underperforming. We, as coaches, give them the maximum we can give, and the task of the skaters is to take this maximum and work with the same returns."

"And further. We were preparing for the season at the base in Novogorsk. The best working conditions, in my opinion, anywhere in the world. Rink, gyms and choreo rooms, a stadium, a swimming pool, physiotherapy ... Everything is nearby. Balanced proper nutrition. True, because of this, we sometimes have problems, because the food in Novogorsk is very tasty. But the athletes are already professionals, they themselves must understand what to take, what to leave." (from the menu I suppose :-)

"It seems to me that training in Novogorsk gives us a great advantage, because it immediately sets the athletes up for serious work. One can only be proud that in Russia there is such an Olympic base and the opportunity to train there."


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I so wish Dudakov will give an interview and some insight in his ideas, motivations and methods, but he seems shyer than shy.
Gleikhengauz seems to know very well about the critique on his work but appears to be unphased by this, and so it should be. Results matter more than words, the Wall of Achievements in Khrustalniy testifies to this.
 
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No, Shanghai Trophy and Japan Open aren‘t counted that‘s why I asked what the girls‘ challenger assignments will be. I strongly hope Zhenya (and the others) will do a Challenger event because it‘s important for WS and getting that SB. I‘m somehow not so sure about Autumn Classics for her but we‘ll find out tomorrow.
US classics is very hard with the jetlag and the altitude, so I‘m not sure I want poor Anna having to deal with that for her first international senior (Challenger) event... Maybe Rusfed will do the same they did with the GP assignments and send Alina + Alyona to Finlandia, Sasha + Zhenya to ONT and Anna + Liza + Sofia to Lombardia. I wouldn‘t necessarily be a fan of that as it‘s a bit boring to have the same skaters compete against each other in all events but it would be convenient. Would that work out with test skates + GP for everyone?

I think most will only do one challenger, since there are too many top athlete girls coming from Russia this season.
There weren't enough GP to skaters with guaranteed spots, so it seems like there won't be enough challengers as well.

As for the strategy, I think Rusfed would want all their skaters to win their challengers, so... I don't know, will they send 2 strong ones at a time?
I think it would be better scenario for Anna(or to any russian lady for that matter) to win a challenger in US rather than lose the title to someone in Europe...
Yeah, even assigning challengers seems to be hard, there are also a lot of amazing japanese ladies coming to do challengers, so even winning a challenger might be extremely difficult

I think even challengers will be crazy competitive this season and hard to win.
 
I think most will only do one challenger, since there are too many top athlete girls coming from Russia this season.
There weren't enough GP to skaters with guaranteed spots, so it seems like there won't be enough challengers as well.

As for the strategy, I think Rusfed would want all their skaters to win their challengers, so... I don't know, will they send 2 strong ones at a time?
I think it would be better scenario for Anna(or to any russian lady for that matter) to win a challenger in US rather than lose the title to someone in Europe...
Yeah, even assigning challengers seems to be hard, there are also a lot of amazing japanese ladies coming to do challengers, so even winning a challenger might be extremely difficult

I think even challengers will be crazy competitive this season and hard to win.
Yes, it'll be very difficult to win anywhere this year. And challengers can be very important as we saw how it helped both Tursynbaeva and Kihira. RusFed has their hands full with work.
 
Yes, it'll be very difficult to win anywhere this year. And challengers can be very important as we saw how it helped both Tursynbaeva and Kihira. RusFed has their hands full with work.

Challenger USA has Satoko, beatable by top Russian ladies, if they are willing to deal with the time difference and altitude. Maybe Stasya will go as she will already have a visa from the Aurora games.
 
I don't watch TSL. However, judging by other people's remarks I see that if they somehow unite with Ms. Rodina that would be the most notorious team of "experts" that figure skating has ever seen... for better or for worse.
 
I don't watch TSL. However, judging by other people's remarks I see that if they somehow unite with Ms. Rodina that would be the most notorious team of "experts" that figure skating has ever seen... for better or for worse.

Well... not to defend them, they actually watch figure skating and have some experience watching it.
Rodina can't tell any jumps apart.
 
I don't watch TSL. However, judging by other people's remarks I see that if they somehow unite with Ms. Rodina that would be the most notorious team of "experts" that figure skating has ever seen... for better or for worse.

A truly great idea sam. LOL!it would be a car wreck meeting a train wreck. ;)
 
Thank you! I love Kamila's sweet little voice. I just want to hug her.

I remember Kamila spoke a little bit on English somewhere once. She was quite good. She just have this natural shininess sometimes, so her English migth struggle time to time in her futute interviews with Ted. With some luck we might hear her talk to Ted on camera this season.

Kamila is actually quite solid in English, just watch her go (ETA: this is not her voice, though): https://www.instagram.com/p/ByGxeCGDLGu/?igshid=1wrlnmyobl3eq
:laugh:
 
And they think that sandra basic (or besic?) is the best choreographer ever. I mean her best work was tara lipinski [emoji87] And they love to talk with john inman, one of the judges who handed sarah hughes the olympic gold medal and snubbed slutskaja. However at least they are disgusting to everyone basically

You think Bezic's best work was Lipinski's Olympic LP? :confused: Her resume extends farther than you may realize, she choreographed the Olympic programs for Orser, Boitano, Yamaguchi, Kurt Browning, not to mention all of Lu Chen's beautiful programs 1995 and onward.

Ditto on John Inman though, Sarah Hughes being placed 4th after that wretched short program was a choice. She should have been 7th at best
 
I remember Kamila spoke a little bit on English somewhere once. She was quite good. She just have this natural shininess sometimes, so her English migth struggle time to time iin futute interviews in English. With some luck we might hear her talk to Ted on camera this season.

Kamila is actually quite solid on English, just watch her go: https://www.instagram.com/p/ByGxeCGDLGu/?igshid=1wrlnmyobl3eq
:laugh:

Not sure if it’s Kamila’s voice in that video, as this appears to have been a trend for a while with the same audio 😅: https://youtu.be/Yxv3ZawhXL4
 
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